Okay now THAT makes a whole lot of sense. Well as sensical (I know not a real word) as this show can be! River Song I think I finally "get you."
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Here's something I know you'll dig, JG. I mentioned 'The Eternity Clock' video game before; one of the side activities in it is to collect pages from River's TARDIS diary. Well, someone transcribed it all here: http://forgivenalwaysandcompletely....rivers-diary-complete-from-the-eternity-clock
That was very entertaining! I liked her descriptions for each of the Doctor's incarnations. I wonder how she would have described Ten and Eleven.
I've never really thought about it until now but River has lived such a tragic life. Though I'm sure her good times with the Doctor made up for all the bad times.
I've never really thought about it until now but River has lived such a tragic life. Though I'm sure her good times with the Doctor made up for all the bad times.
This part intrigues me:
Why would River be worried about meeting Susan? Is maybe... River is Susan's grandmother?
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I'm not quite sure how River led a tragic life, she made her own choices in life even her final one.
^ She was taken away from her parents as a baby, forced to grow up in an orphanage, and then conditioned to kill the Doctor. Sure she eventually regenerated into Mels and was able to grow up alongside Amy and Rory but her first childhood was pretty sucky.
My assumption based on circumstances is that Amy and Rory did eventually get to raise their own daughter. But it was in New York from 1970 to about 1990 around when they died. Grandma Amelia Williams with her little girl. Melony Pond either regenerated into Mels in 1970, or just prior to leaving for England to stay near young Amy and Rory, so she'd look like a toddler and grow up seemingly normally until she again regenerates...in Germany into River Song.
Yeah I thought about that being a possibility as well which makes me happy because then they got to raise their daughter like they should have. If it hadn't been for stupid Madam Kovarian!
I might be a little fuzzy but why did she choose baby Melody to be the one who would kill the Doctor?
I might be a little fuzzy but why did she choose baby Melody to be the one who would kill the Doctor?
Because she was conceived on the TARDIS in flight which somehow prepped her DNA to become Time Lord-ish thus making her a match for the Doctor. or something like that.
While you;re trying to fill in a hole, it's an irregualr fit at best. There's no way for Rory and Amy tto know how to track down Mel as a child, that is if they knew she was there in th first place.
A match for the Doctor? How so?
Mels did say she regenerated into a toddler in New York just before regenerating into River Song. Amy and Rory are present for that event. Given that Amy can likely put two and two together with the little girl in 1969 in the space suit being her daughter, given she saw pictures of herself holding a baby then...before she gave birth to Melody.
Amy is not that dense, and can probably put two and two together. Plus, in 1970s, she's already in New York. At that point you start to trust fate...or the Doctor, to put things right.
Amy is not that dense, and can probably put two and two together. Plus, in 1970s, she's already in New York. At that point you start to trust fate...or the Doctor, to put things right.
In that she was a Time Lord, or at least had Time Lord qualities. They tried killing him at Trenzalor. It didn't work. They tried trapping him in the Pandorica. It didn't work. The only one who can take down a Time Lord is another Time Lord. Since there are no more Time Lords... they made one.
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Ah. Okay that makes sense.
Trenzalore came later on and had nothing to do with the earlier attempts on the Doctor's life. And really it doesn't take one Time Lord to take another down, the Master's human was able to it by herself. The Silence who destroyed the TARDIS in The Pandorica Opens was a splinter group from the originals.
Actually, it started during Trenzalore.
When the Doctor decided to stay on the Planet fighting of the armies invading, the Kovarian sect of the Silence decided to take matters into their own hands and prevent him from ever going to trenzalore in the first place.
they traveled back in time to fail killing him time and time again.
Two things though, the Doctor originally died at Trenzalore and secondly in the end the Silence's fear of the Doctor destroying the universe only resulted in them doing it when the TARDIS was destroyed. And we still have no idea how they time travelled. The plotline never made any sense.
They were post 50th century, humans in that timeframe havetime travel capabilty, even if their methods are crude compared to the Time Lords, I don't need their technology explained beyond those humans have vortex manipulators.
And they traveled back before he died.
That they blew up the universe when they destroyed the TARDIS was a screw up.
That was not the plan. They just wanted to neutralize it.
I think the Doctor mocks them for that at some point, but I mught misremember that part.
Anyway, the Silence are like Khan. They kept missing their target no matter how complicated and convoluted their plans got. they essentially enslaved the whole of humanity just to have them build a space suit to put the fake time lord they created out of the Doctor's companion's stolen child in.
It is quite tragic really, how incompetent they really are.
[Scott Evil]you do this every time! You have him at your mercy, you tell him all your plans, then put him in this complicated trap he can easily escape from and he foils you again. I have a gun in my room, i'm gonna go get, put it to his head, boom, done! How about that?[/Scott Evil]
[Silence]Zip it![/Silence]
Speaking of Austin Powers. Anyone notice how Kovarian is aseemless blend of Doctor Evil, Number Two and Frau Farbissina?
And they traveled back before he died.
That they blew up the universe when they destroyed the TARDIS was a screw up.
That was not the plan. They just wanted to neutralize it.
I think the Doctor mocks them for that at some point, but I mught misremember that part.
Anyway, the Silence are like Khan. They kept missing their target no matter how complicated and convoluted their plans got. they essentially enslaved the whole of humanity just to have them build a space suit to put the fake time lord they created out of the Doctor's companion's stolen child in.
It is quite tragic really, how incompetent they really are.
[Scott Evil]you do this every time! You have him at your mercy, you tell him all your plans, then put him in this complicated trap he can easily escape from and he foils you again. I have a gun in my room, i'm gonna go get, put it to his head, boom, done! How about that?[/Scott Evil]
[Silence]Zip it![/Silence]
Speaking of Austin Powers. Anyone notice how Kovarian is aseemless blend of Doctor Evil, Number Two and Frau Farbissina?
We haven't seen any humans post the 51st century with the ability of time travel and the Time Agency was disbanded. Kovarian's storyline was also a mess, while Amy killed her in an alternate timeline, she should still exist in the regular timeline yet there's no mention of her.
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