So How Much Time Will Have Passed Since The First NuTrek Film?

[TRON JA307020]

By the time the new film comes out it will have been 7 years since the first in real time. In the 2nd film 2 year had passed since the first and by the end of that film another year had passed so 2 years at that point since Trek09. I haven't seen or heard anything about what year it will be for the characters. I would hope they would give us a time frame of at lest 5 years since the first and better yet the whole 7 years. The group of actors are now starting to look older and to stick with 2.5 years or such would be a mistake imo.

 

[Sector 7]

Makeup can do wonders.

Seriously, we have no idea until it is released... or until Simon Pegg or another person tells us.

 

[Campe]

Where'd you get the 2 years from between Trek 09 and Into Darkness? Star Trek took place in 2258(.42) and Into Darkness in 2259(.55). That's just a little over a year by my count. Plus, as you state, the one year leap in film. So, 2260 at the end of Into Darkness.

It's really hard to gauge at this point but I'd imagine they'd put it somewhere in the middle. So, 2.5 to 3 years makes sense. Then I think it would be great to put Trek 4 at the end of the 5YM. We've never seen the Enterprise come home at the end of their mission. And while it's a different timeline, it would still be cool to see.

And sure they're getting older, but TMP apparently only happened 2.5 years after the end of the 5YM. So, maybe 3.5 years story time in 10 years real time? There's precedent.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Makeup can do wonders.

Seriously, we have no idea until it is released... or until Simon Pegg or another person tells us.

Yeah I was hoping someone here may have heard something. I would like real time and to see some changes that might bring us closer to the TOS kind of characterization of Kirk. I would suspect that the more time has passed Kirk would now be reaching the TOS time frame and be more of mature and seasoned captain whos love of his ship and being a Starfleet officer precedes everything else. I would like to see the same with other characters also especially Spock. He needs to finally get his pesky emotions under wraps and become a stoic calculating machine albeit still a loyal friend and officer.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Where'd you get the 2 years from between Trek 09 and Into Darkness? Star Trek took place in 2258(.42) and Into Darkness in 2259(.55). That's just a little over a year by my count. Plus, as you state, the one year leap in film. So, 2260 at the end of Into Darkness.

It's really hard to gauge at this point but I'd imagine they'd put it somewhere in the middle. So, 2.5 to 3 years makes sense. Then I think it would be great to put Trek 4 at the end of the 5YM. We've never seen the Enterprise come home at the end of their mission. And while it's a different timeline, it would still be cool to see.

And sure they're getting older, but TMP apparently only happened 2.5 years after the end of the 5YM. So, maybe 3.5 years story time in 10 years real time? There's precedent.

I was assuming 2 years from what I remember from the films. It could be slightly more as you say. The TMP timeline has always been suspect. One throwaway line by Decker in TMP
about Kirk not logging a star hour in over 2 years may not have mean since 2268. OF course back when TMP came out most people felt that's what he meant so every technical book, sf magazine and fan fiction started saying it was the year 2270 but the year was never mentioned in the film. For all we know Kirk was logging star time until 2273 and TMP takes place in 2275 and then the second 5 year mission ends in 2280 which would bring us to TWOK. I think.

 

[Sector 7]

^^ I agree, Pubert. EmoSpock (as I call him) is too emotional.

In the beginning of the first film, Spock all but renounces his racist Vulcan heritage... and I cannot blame him for that. Only later in that movie does he strive to protect that same culture. While his attack on Kirk is meant to show his vulnerability (and allow Kirk to be captain) it also highlighted his emotionalism.

Not only should Kirk mature, but also Spock by embracing his logical side.

 

[Kemaiku]

The 5YM ended in mid 2269. Borgboy in Voyager states the V'ger incident occured in 2273.

The Enterprise refit was 18 months into the process, we don't know when it started or when it was due to end. Early 2273 would put the start at 2271, two years after she returned, and maybe a few months before the refit to decrew and empty the ship in preparation, say 2270.

So the 5YM started 4 years early in this universe (2260-65 instead of 64-69), it doesn't have to resemble the original one in any way.

 

[Campe]

In Voyager, Icheb states the 5YM ends in 2270. So, that's canon. And there are two lines, Decker's line about Kirk and Kirk's line to Scotty about two and a half years as Chief of Operations making him a little stale but untried. And you're right, it is a little suspect but I think common conception is that the Enterprise returns home in 2270, Kirk is promoted, the Enterprise is redesigned and refit a year later over 18 months and the events of TMP take place in 2272 or at the latest early 2273. Then, utilizing that as a jumping off point, TWOK would take place in 2282 putting the events of "Space Seed" ("fifteen years ago") in 2267, the middle of the 5YM.

The existence of any 2nd 5YM is conjecture at best as there is no evidence to suggest it happened. For anything we know, the crew could have actually (*gasp*) gone their separate ways after TMP and then came back when Kirk became an Admiral at Starfleet Academy overseeing command track cadets.

 

[Jedi_Master]

All I have seen states that this film will find them "deep into the five year mission". What that means is anyone's guess....

My guess is about 2 or so years into the 5 year mission - which would allow them to do one more film set in the five year mission, and if that goes well make nuTrek 5 a "transition" film into a new crew or a new ship, etc.

 

[Franklin]

IPegg has said they're "out there" on their five-year mission, so I'd be certain at least a year or so has passed. Pegg also said Elba is playing an original character because if they're out in the unknown, they shouldn't be running into the same old people.

Whether they're one, two, or three years into it, I think the point for Pegg and Jung was to write a story where at least enough time passed that the crew is truly out "where no man has gone, before," and the "growing pains" evident with the crew in the first two movies are over (or at least mostly so).

 

[TRON JA307020]

^^ I agree, Pubert. EmoSpock (as I call him) is too emotional.

In the beginning of the first film, Spock all but renounces his racist Vulcan heritage... and I cannot blame him for that. Only later in that movie does he strive to protect that same culture. While his attack on Kirk is meant to show his vulnerability (and allow Kirk to be captain) it also highlighted his emotionalism.

Not only should Kirk mature, but also Spock by embracing his logical side.

Yeah I would expect Kirk to be more mature and Spock to be losing his emotional side by this next movie. If they actually bring the time passed in the next one(It will be 7 years by release date) that is enough time for Kirk to have matured as a leader and Spock to have purged some of his more excessive emotions and on the road to pure or nearly pure logic.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Spock is half human, so I am sure his "emotional" side will still flare up from time to time.

 

[Sindatur]

^^ I agree, Pubert. EmoSpock (as I call him) is too emotional.

In the beginning of the first film, Spock all but renounces his racist Vulcan heritage... and I cannot blame him for that. Only later in that movie does he strive to protect that same culture. While his attack on Kirk is meant to show his vulnerability (and allow Kirk to be captain) it also highlighted his emotionalism.

Not only should Kirk mature, but also Spock by embracing his logical side.

Yeah I would expect Kirk to be more mature and Spock to be losing his emotional side by this next movie. If they actually bring the time passed in the next one(It will be 7 years by release date) that is enough time for Kirk to have matured as a leader and Spock to have purged some of his more excessive emotions and on the road to pure or nearly pure logic.

You've apparently forgotten that in the first move, Spock Prime tells NuSpock not to try to bury his emotions completely, that it took him (Spock Prime) until the TOS Movies before he embraced his emotions and became "complete".

Certainly, enough time will have passed for him not to be explosive over his loss from the first movie, but, don't count on him becoming Robot-like

 

[Dukhat]

If they actually bring the time passed in the next one(It will be 7 years by release date) that is enough time for Kirk to have matured as a leader and Spock to have purged some of his more excessive emotions and on the road to pure or nearly pure logic.

Er, why does any of that have to happen? This is an entirely different universe here. Just because we saw Spock prime going through Kolinahr in TMP doesn't mean jack now. For all we know nuSpock will be far more emotional than his counterpart, who didn't have to deal with his entire planet being destroyed and his people made almost extinct, ya know?

 

[Franklin]

If they actually bring the time passed in the next one(It will be 7 years by release date) that is enough time for Kirk to have matured as a leader and Spock to have purged some of his more excessive emotions and on the road to pure or nearly pure logic.

Er, why does any of that have to happen? This is an entirely different universe here. Just because we saw Spock prime going through Kolinahr in TMP doesn't mean jack now. For all we know nuSpock will be far more emotional than his counterpart, who didn't have to deal with his entire planet being destroyed and his people made almost extinct, ya know?

Even in the Prime universe, Spock discovered Kolinahr, or pure logic, wasn't the answer for him. Spock's entire character arc throughout the movies was a growing acceptance of his human side and its attributes, including emotions and emotional attachments to people (friends). I'd actually find it likely Spock goes in this direction faster in the new universe.

Remember, Spock's last words on the big screen before ST09 were, "If I were human, I believe my response would be, go to hell. If I were human." Someone dedicated to pure logic and no emotion doesn't say he feels like telling Starfleet to basically f-off.

 

[TRON JA307020]

If they actually bring the time passed in the next one(It will be 7 years by release date) that is enough time for Kirk to have matured as a leader and Spock to have purged some of his more excessive emotions and on the road to pure or nearly pure logic.

Er, why does any of that have to happen? This is an entirely different universe here. Just because we saw Spock prime going through Kolinahr in TMP doesn't mean jack now. For all we know nuSpock will be far more emotional than his counterpart, who didn't have to deal with his entire planet being destroyed and his people made almost extinct, ya know?

Even in the Prime universe, Spock discovered Kolinahr, or pure logic, wasn't the answer for him. Spock's entire character arc throughout the movies was a growing acceptance of his human side and its attributes, including emotions and emotional attachments to people (friends). I'd actually find it likely Spock goes in this direction faster in the new universe.

Remember, Spock's last words on the big screen before ST09 were, "If I were human, I believe my response would be, go to hell. If I were human." Someone dedicated to pure logic and no emotion doesn't say he feels like telling Starfleet to basically f-off.

Prime Spock had emotion but he still controlled them to a much greater degree. He had a calmness and exactness about him that got the job done. It took years of experience and I would think NuSPock may follow a similar path even more so since he lost his Vulcan. I really don't see the writers making NuSpock more emotional as time goes by because raw emotion becomes dangerous for a Vulcans because of what their emotions can do to them. At he end of STID it took a human(Uhura) to stop a emotional Spock from killing Khan. It showed just how out of control Spocks emotions had gotten at that point when a human had to help keep him in check. Remember in TOS they explained that raw emotions nearly destroyed Vulcan civilization and only logic and the suppression of their emotions saved them. Since this alternate universe has the same past I would expect a emotional Vulcan even a half Vulcan would become dangerous.

 

[F. King Daniel]

So How Much Time Will Have Passed Since The First NuTrek Film?

ELEVEN SECONDS.

 

[ralph]

Whereas Star Trek: Five Year Mission (IDW comic) will lead up to the Star Trek Beyond, maybe one and a half years after STID.

 

[Campe]

This conversation actually brings up a good point, not only in the when, but where are they? nuTrek's warp scale is, well, fast. We don't really know Enterprise's speed capabilities other than it can be boiled down to "of the plot." (It also seems that other than Vengeance's abilities, there may be just one warp speed.) But how far into deep space are they really going to be?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Whereas Star Trek: Five Year Mission (IDW comic) will lead up to the Star Trek Beyond, maybe one and a half years after STID.

Is that 2.5 years after the mission in STID or 1.5 years after Kirks speech which was 1 year after the mission?