Star Trek: Axanar

[Maurice]

Are you expecting too much? Jaded perhaps? Or just too many prose written that it seems bland because you have seen far, far too many screenplays in your lifetime.

I reject prima facie your notion that being a discriminating consumer of the arts is somehow a bad thing.

One could just as easily turn the tables and ask anyone who loves a film: "Are you expecting too little? Too easily wowed? Or just so poorly read to recognize obvious by the numbers writing?" Would that be insulting? You bet your sweet bippy it would. Such remarks are baldly transparent attempts to dismiss someone else's opinion by questioning their credentials to have one.

 

[Ithekro]

Or just so poorly read to recognize obvious by the numbers writing?"

In context, I would gather this one. Wouldn't know "by the numbers writing" at all. Can't even say I know the term since I stopped writing about 13 year ago and more or less stopped reading novels regularly around the same time. Too much internet plus working means less time to just pick up a novel. Reading mostly history since then. Naval specifically.

 

[gazomg]

Just popping in to remind folks of a few things:

- Don't get personal. If you can't make an argument without name-calling, even tame stuff, you need to log off and do something else.

- Trolling. Don't. I'm an unpredictable Romulan and am known for punting people unexpectedly when I have my fill of their antics.

Fan films are nice, and this one seems to be one of the better ones going by the trailer but for the life of me, I don't know why people froth at the mouth when it comes to them. They're FICTION...not REAL....come on...get a grip.

Wise words.

I have recently only started posting more on a regular basis, and my over riding belief based on reading as many topics that interest me is all the shows and all the movies, be it the original ones , tng or these nu trek ones all have their fair share of detractors, and all have their die hard fans and critics.

That is understandable and to be expected,
However I personally think from browsing here Voyager and Enterprise get the most criticism, now whether that is justified is another argument , personally I loved both in their own right.

The one thing that disgusts me is how criticism of abrams movies are met with more bitterness than any other form of trek.
It appears that Nu trek is a protected genre and evident by the number of pro abrams mods quick to pounce on anyone that dares to find fault.
And its not just mods, look at how some on here were told their own personal opinion is wrong, how animated gits with the words bullshit etc were posted, and other such like.

I have received private messages of a fair few members warning me to be careful and watch myself because mods wont tolerate criticism of abrams movies.

This is a damning indictment of the site when members feel that controlled they cannot openly discuss this for fear of infractions, bans etc or that so many feel they must bite their lip and accept this.

A level playing field is what people need. if one genre is protected then all should be or vice versa if one is allowed by fully criticized then all should be the same.

This whole thread went off tangent because I made a single comment about my own personal preference and has spiraled since, some can argue I had no business mentioning the new abrams movie, but with 2 movies coming out there will always be some sort of compare and contrast.

 

[beamMe]

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Criticising nuTrek is fine. Dragging it into unrelated topics isn't.

Though, to be fair, Axanar isn't entirely unrelated as it clearly takes advantage and borrows a lot of the preTOS-design aesthetic Abrams and Co. created for their films.

 

[JoeZhang]

Getting back on topic - is there anyone under 55 in this? This is maybe one of the oldest Trek productions we have seen in a while (that's an observation not a critique).

 

[Mudd]

Any reliance on Cushman's books to support an argument cuts the legs out from any claim to "objectivity" - as ridiculous as such a claim is on its face when evaluating popular entertainment.

Everyone has opinions here, and only opinions. If that fact is uncomfortable for posters who'd like to position their observations as weightier than those of posters they disagree with, that's unfortunate...for them.

 

[gazomg]

Getting back on topic - is there anyone under 55 in this? This is maybe one of the oldest Trek productions we have seen in a while (that's an observation not a critique).

One would expect combat troops and experienced starfleet personal to be older than cadets anyway,

Political leaders, captains, diplomats etc again would be older also
so no real surprise that it is an older cast.
Its not like an early red squadron were the focus of the movie

 

[JoeZhang]

One would expect combat troops and experienced starfleet personal to be older than cadets anyway,

Political leaders, captains, diplomats etc again would be older also
so no real surprise that it is an older cast.
Its not like an early red squadron were the focus of the movie

Not really - look at WW2 - many people involved in combat or had the most interesting tales around intelligence work and the like were in their early to mid 20s.

I'd certainly not expect 55 year old combat troops - anyway as I noted it's an observation not a critique. I guess with the core audience for this being older anyway that is not a problem.

 

[gazomg]

One would expect combat troops and experienced starfleet personal to be older than cadets anyway,

Political leaders, captains, diplomats etc again would be older also
so no real surprise that it is an older cast.
Its not like an early red squadron were the focus of the movie

Not really - look at WW2 - many people involved in combat or had the most interesting tales around intelligence work and the like were in their early to mid 20s.

I'd certainly not expect 55 year old combat troops - anyway as I noted it's an observation not a critique. I guess with the core audience for this being older anyway that is not a problem.

frontline fodder yes, starfleet trained crewmen would be older obviously., although definitely not 55......unless vulcans

I suspect there will be some younger actors in it, but not in prominent roles, but thats just a guess.

 

[Titan Designer]

Getting back on topic - is there anyone under 55 in this? This is maybe one of the oldest Trek productions we have seen in a while (that's an observation not a critique).

I know that some of us in the Art Department of Axanar are under 55...lol

 

[Barbreader]

Getting back on topic - is there anyone under 55 in this? This is maybe one of the oldest Trek productions we have seen in a while (that's an observation not a critique).

Hollywood pros who do fan films are rarely young. Movies and TV favor young actors. Older actors are more likely to spend some time on a passion project. Few people would pass up a million dollar paycheck to do a fan film, and there are just so many hours in a day. Availability may explain your observation.

 

[fireproof78]

One would expect combat troops and experienced starfleet personal to be older than cadets anyway,

Political leaders, captains, diplomats etc again would be older also
so no real surprise that it is an older cast.
Its not like an early red squadron were the focus of the movie

Not really - look at WW2 - many people involved in combat or had the most interesting tales around intelligence work and the like were in their early to mid 20s.

I'd certainly not expect 55 year old combat troops - anyway as I noted it's an observation not a critique. I guess with the core audience for this being older anyway that is not a problem.

But, as gazmog noted, that would be the boots on the ground. The Starfleet officers are more akin to experienced officers of the line, who are likely going to be older and seen more action.

Which, I think is the idea behind Axanar. Instead of a young Captain Kirk journeying out to the frontier, you have officers and leaders who are older, presumably wiser, attempting to deal with a threat on a large scale.

I will say this about Axanar. The concept takes many ideas presented in TOS and expands them on a much larger scale.

Also, more technical information is always welcome

 

[Warped9]

Furthermore you don't see me haunting the forums of the subjects I don't care for...

... anymore.

Never. And the Mods can attest to it.

So the only fit response is a simple two words...

 

[Karzak]

Furthermore you don't see me haunting the forums of the subjects I don't care for...

... anymore.

Never. And the Mods can attest to it.

So the only fit response is a simple two words...

If that's the case, why is it so difficult to say "I'm sorry," "You're right," or "I overreacted" ?

 

[BigJake]

Are you expecting too much? Jaded perhaps? Or just too many prose written that it seems bland because you have seen far, far too many screenplays in your lifetime.

I reject prima facie your notion that being a discriminating consumer of the arts is somehow a bad thing.

You know, Ithekro's question seemed pretty good humoured and friendly. There's no particular need to get frustrated that there are people disagreeing with your assessment of the writing or the scene, so I hope you're not doing that.

 

[Karzak]

From what I've observed, that doesn't seem to be Maurice's usual modus operandi.

 

[BigJake]

^ Yeah, that's why the apparent bitterness of that response surprised me.

 

[Warped9]

... anymore.

Never. And the Mods can attest to it.

So the only fit response is a simple two words...

If that's the case, why is it so difficult to say "I'm sorry," "You're right," or "I overreacted" ?

Where did I overreact? Because I reached a point where I'm not taking it anymore?

There comes a point when you have to tell people pulling things out of their ass to back off because they don't understand anything else.

I'm not apologizing for that.

 

[JoeZhang]

But, as gazmog noted, that would be the boots on the ground. The Starfleet officers are more akin to experienced officers of the line, who are likely going to be older and seen more action.

Without going too far off track given what we are discussing is all made-up - go and look at the history books - the 'experienced officers of the line' at the front were often not in their 50s and 60s, they were in their 20s and early 30s - partly because war time rapidly grows the services and creates slots and bullets take care of the rest. This idea that the young were simply "boots on the ground" is a false one I think created by how TV shows are cast (and here by the fact that this production features a lot of what we in the UK might em..call 'resting' actors).

Just as a random example - Colonel John Landers who commanded the 78th fighter group was 24 and got there with four years service.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^ Yeah, that's why the apparent bitterness of that response surprised me.

I am not at all surprised.