Things That Will Never Be Answered

[fireproof78]

The downside would be no sex.

Says who?

 

[Starborn Dragon]

The downside would be no sex.

Says who?

Have you ever seen one of those energy beings have sex?

Q actually didn't have sex. He just touched fingers with the Q female.

The Dowd didn't actually have sex. At least as far as I know. They never really had any children.

The organians never really seemed to have sex.

I'm not sure if the Aphasians reproduced themselves or not. (I think that's what they were called in Charlie X).

So have you ever seen an energy being actually have sex in Star Trek?

And if being an energy being is an evolution to a higher state of being, like John Doe in Transfiguration, why would an energy being need sex in any capacity?

Sex, at least so it seems to me, is something that is purely physical for biological life forms.

And maybe not even crystalline forms had sex to reproduce, like the Horta.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Amanda Rogers parents must have had sex.

 

[Starborn Dragon]

I don't get cultural centricism of Star Trek.

It means that if you have any amount of blood in you of any given culture, then you are expected to be loyal and completely embrace that culture.

If you have some Klingon blood in you then you must be Klingon.

And so on.

I do not understand that.

 

[fireproof78]

The downside would be no sex.

Says who?

Have you ever seen one of those energy beings have sex?

Q actually didn't have sex. He just touched fingers with the Q female.

The Dowd didn't actually have sex. At least as far as I know. They never really had any children.

The organians never really seemed to have sex.

I'm not sure if the Aphasians reproduced themselves or not. (I think that's what they were called in Charlie X).

So have you ever seen an energy being actually have sex in Star Trek?

And if being an energy being is an evolution to a higher state of being, like John Doe in Transfiguration, why would an energy being need sex in any capacity?

Sex, at least so it seems to me, is something that is purely physical for biological life forms.

And maybe not even crystalline forms had sex to reproduce, like the Horta.

But sex also serves other functions for human beings (cannot comment on Klingons, Romulans or other races). The idea of intimacy with another being is one major component of sexual behavior a well as the pleasure aspect of it.

Higher state of being doesn't mean that there are not still pursuits of pleasure and intimacy. It just means it takes a form in which we are not familiar with at this point in time.

Also, just because we never see it in the show, does not mean I can safely conclude it did not happen. Otherwise, no one has ever gone to the bathroom

 

[Starborn Dragon]

Says who?

Have you ever seen one of those energy beings have sex?

Q actually didn't have sex. He just touched fingers with the Q female.

The Dowd didn't actually have sex. At least as far as I know. They never really had any children.

The organians never really seemed to have sex.

I'm not sure if the Aphasians reproduced themselves or not. (I think that's what they were called in Charlie X).

So have you ever seen an energy being actually have sex in Star Trek?

And if being an energy being is an evolution to a higher state of being, like John Doe in Transfiguration, why would an energy being need sex in any capacity?

Sex, at least so it seems to me, is something that is purely physical for biological life forms.

And maybe not even crystalline forms had sex to reproduce, like the Horta.

But sex also serves other functions for human beings (cannot comment on Klingons, Romulans or other races). The idea of intimacy with another being is one major component of sexual behavior a well as the pleasure aspect of it.

Higher state of being doesn't mean that there are not still pursuits of pleasure and intimacy. It just means it takes a form in which we are not familiar with at this point in time.

Also, just because we never see it in the show, does not mean I can safely conclude it did not happen. Otherwise, no one has ever gone to the bathroom

You don't need sex to be intimate with someone. Sex isn't all that it's cracked up to be, and all this bs reaction to sex is just a lot of cultural conditioning.

I have a default position with these kinds of things. For me, if they don't address the issue, then it never happened.

 

[eyeresist]

The downside would be no sex.

Says who?

Have you ever seen one of those energy beings have sex?

I've never seen anyone on Star Trek have sex. Except for Riker and Troi in NEM, and arguably they never got to actual coitus.

 

[2takesfrakes]

You don't need sex to be intimate with someone. Sex isn't all that it's cracked up to be, and all this bs reaction to sex is just a lot of cultural conditioning.

I have a default position with these kinds of things. For me, if they don't address the issue, then it never happened.

In Hollywood, though, especially with old(er) movies & shows like STAR TREK, sex was even more than it's cracked up to be. It was the moment, for example, when we, the audience, knew that they were really "in Love." And it wasn't always expressed by awkwardly simulating the sex act, onscreen. Sometimes it was suggested by other means, to avoid censure, or whatnot. It could be represented by dance, for example - literally having the couple dancing somewhere. I'm pretty sure Bollywood utilises this technique quite often. It can go the other way 'round as well, something as innocuous as a kiss could represent a sort of shorthand for copulation. Like when Han kisses the princess in ESB. Whatever sex means to someone in life, in entertainment it's usually the end-all, be-all of a relationship, especially with shows from way back when ...

 

[Forbin]

How did the Klingons go from ridges to no ridges to ridges again? No, seriously, how did it really happen?

Enterprise devoted two fourth-season episodes to this very topic, Affliction and Divergence. They provided a passable explanation for the ridges/no ridges/ridges again appearance of the Klingons over the years.

And it was the silliest explanation they could come up with.
Nobody seems to realize they have an Empire of many planetary systems, with many different races. Is everybody on a United States Navy ship from the same race?

 

[Forbin]

I don't get cultural centricism of Star Trek.

It means that if you have any amount of blood in you of any given culture, then you are expected to be loyal and completely embrace that culture.

If you have some Klingon blood in you then you must be Klingon.

And so on.

I do not understand that.

I'm 1/4 Scottish, but it's the biggest fraction of nationalism I have, so I run with it - I have a big ol' claymore on the wall wrapped with the family (Bruce!) tartan, and the family crest under it, and... okay, that's as far as I go with that.

 

[fireproof78]

Have you ever seen one of those energy beings have sex?

Q actually didn't have sex. He just touched fingers with the Q female.

The Dowd didn't actually have sex. At least as far as I know. They never really had any children.

The organians never really seemed to have sex.

I'm not sure if the Aphasians reproduced themselves or not. (I think that's what they were called in Charlie X).

So have you ever seen an energy being actually have sex in Star Trek?

And if being an energy being is an evolution to a higher state of being, like John Doe in Transfiguration, why would an energy being need sex in any capacity?

Sex, at least so it seems to me, is something that is purely physical for biological life forms.

And maybe not even crystalline forms had sex to reproduce, like the Horta.

But sex also serves other functions for human beings (cannot comment on Klingons, Romulans or other races). The idea of intimacy with another being is one major component of sexual behavior a well as the pleasure aspect of it.

Higher state of being doesn't mean that there are not still pursuits of pleasure and intimacy. It just means it takes a form in which we are not familiar with at this point in time.

Also, just because we never see it in the show, does not mean I can safely conclude it did not happen. Otherwise, no one has ever gone to the bathroom

You don't need sex to be intimate with someone. Sex isn't all that it's cracked up to be, and all this bs reaction to sex is just a lot of cultural conditioning.

I have a default position with these kinds of things. For me, if they don't address the issue, then it never happened.

Individual needs will vary in this regard.

Intimacy takes on different forms for different people, and for some, sex is a part of that equation.

If my class last quarter taught me anything is that sexual needs are a huge spectrum of variety, from a psychological perspective.

YMMV.

 

[Melakon]

In "The Return of the Archons", Sulu becomes one with the Body during the teaser, then is apparently taken to sickbay for observation before Kirk and the others go off to look for O'Neill. Festival erupts shortly after they arrive, but we never hear if it affected Sulu. Did he start racing around the ship smashing things, while screaming "Festival, Festival!"?

Scotty says Sulu is peaceful enough when contacted after Red Hour starts, IIRC.

Yes, but that information isn't received until the fourth act, a day or two after Festival ends. By that time, the party was captured at Reger's safehouse across town, imprisoned, and don't ask about Sulu until after Marplon gives Spock the communicators. Though if Sulu had gotten rowdy, Scott would have mentioned it.

It sure was a lucky coincidence that Marplon just happened to be Reger's unknown connection in the underground, and was able to save Kirk and Spock from Absorption.

 

[BillJ]

In "The Return of the Archons", Sulu becomes one with the Body during the teaser, then is apparently taken to sickbay for observation before Kirk and the others go off to look for O'Neill. Festival erupts shortly after they arrive, but we never hear if it affected Sulu. Did he start racing around the ship smashing things, while screaming "Festival, Festival!"?

Scotty says Sulu is peaceful enough when contacted after Red Hour starts, IIRC.

Yes, but that information isn't received until the fourth act, a day or two after Festival ends. By that time, the party was captured at Reger's safehouse across town, imprisoned, and don't ask about Sulu until after Marplon gives Spock the communicators. Though if Sulu had gotten rowdy, Scott would have mentioned it.

It sure was a lucky coincidence that Marplon just happened to be Reger's unknown connection in the underground, and was able to save Kirk and Spock from Absorption.

Maybe Sulu reacted differently to Red Hour due to not having everything bottled up?

 

[Nightdiamond]

In Gamesters of Triskelion, when they were in their holding cells, what was happening between Uhura and her training Thrall? (It really looked wrong)

I think it was pretty clear he was trying to force himself on Uhura. After the incident he tells her she isn't allowed to refuse selection.

Not to be naive about it, but with this being a sixties show, it was somewhat surprising. He was being bringing in her food tray, so it could have been taken as her refusing his presence and help.

That's how episodes during that time would usually spin it.

While the other prisoners weren't being paired yet, Uhura's Thrall was told to "do it" with her immediately?

How did the Klingons go from ridges to no ridges to ridges again? No, seriously, how did it really happen?

Enterprise devoted two fourth-season episodes to this very topic, Affliction and Divergence. They provided a passable explanation for the ridges/no ridges/ridges again appearance of the Klingons over the years.

And it was the silliest explanation they could come up with.
Nobody seems to realize they have an Empire of many planetary systems, with many different races. Is everybody on a United States Navy ship from the same race?

Well, I agree it was a passable explanation, in fact, kudos to Enterprise for taking on the task of explaining it. Especially compared to some of the fan explanations.

But man, was it convoluted. They threw in everything-- the Augments, Section 31, eugenics, viruses. Seem like it was all over the place.



Another one: Whatever happened to Ro Laren after she left to join the Maquis.

 

[fireproof78]

In Gamesters of Triskelion, when they were in their holding cells, what was happening between Uhura and her training Thrall? (It really looked wrong)

I think it was pretty clear he was trying to force himself on Uhura. After the incident he tells her she isn't allowed to refuse selection.

Not to be naive about it, but with this being a sixties show, it was somewhat surprising. He was being bringing in her food tray, so it could have been taken as her refusing his presence and help.

That's how episodes during that time would usually spin it.

While the other prisoners weren't being paired yet, Uhura's Thrall was told to "do it" with her immediately?

Enterprise devoted two fourth-season episodes to this very topic, Affliction and Divergence. They provided a passable explanation for the ridges/no ridges/ridges again appearance of the Klingons over the years.

And it was the silliest explanation they could come up with.
Nobody seems to realize they have an Empire of many planetary systems, with many different races. Is everybody on a United States Navy ship from the same race?

Well, I agree it was a passable explanation, in fact, kudos to Enterprise for taking on the task of explaining it. Especially compared to some of the fan explanations.

But man, was it convoluted. They threw in everything-- the Augments, Section 31, eugenics, viruses. Seem like it was all over the place.



Another one: Whatever happened to Ro Laren after she left to join the Maquis.

She blew stuff up.

I know it came up in an STO thread that she was actually captured by Starfleet again and arrested.

Also, the Klingon explanation, I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation, fan or official, so I can live with the official one. Does not affect my enjoyment of the shows.

Worf's reaction in "Trials" makes as much sense as anything else.

 

[BillJ]

In Gamesters of Triskelion, when they were in their holding cells, what was happening between Uhura and her training Thrall? (It really looked wrong)

I think it was pretty clear he was trying to force himself on Uhura. After the incident he tells her she isn't allowed to refuse selection.

Not to be naive about it, but with this being a sixties show, it was somewhat surprising. He was being bringing in her food tray, so it could have been taken as her refusing his presence and help.

That's how episodes during that time would usually spin it.

While the other prisoners weren't being paired yet, Uhura's Thrall was told to "do it" with her immediately?

Just a year later we would have Chekov nearly rape Mara in "The Day of the Dove".

 

[eyeresist]

Well, I agree it was a passable explanation, in fact, kudos to Enterprise for taking on the task of explaining it. Especially compared to some of the fan explanations.

But man, was it convoluted. They threw in everything-- the Augments, Section 31, eugenics, viruses. Seem like it was all over the place.

I thought it was an amusing response to this exchange:

O'BRIEN: What happened? Some kind genetic engineering?
BASHIR: A viral mutation?

A: It was both!

Section 31 was just a handy way to get Our Heroes involved in the story, and was another nice nod to DS9.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think it was pretty clear he was trying to force himself on Uhura. After the incident he tells her she isn't allowed to refuse selection.

Not to be naive about it, but with this being a sixties show, it was somewhat surprising. He was being bringing in her food tray, so it could have been taken as her refusing his presence and help.

That's how episodes during that time would usually spin it.

While the other prisoners weren't being paired yet, Uhura's Thrall was told to "do it" with her immediately?

Just a year later we would have Chekov nearly rape Mara in "The Day of the Dove".

I recall implied rape in other shows too. Obviously the restrictions of the era didn't allow anything graphic, but the power of suggestion got the point across.

 

[BillJ]

Not to be naive about it, but with this being a sixties show, it was somewhat surprising. He was being bringing in her food tray, so it could have been taken as her refusing his presence and help.

That's how episodes during that time would usually spin it.

While the other prisoners weren't being paired yet, Uhura's Thrall was told to "do it" with her immediately?

Just a year later we would have Chekov nearly rape Mara in "The Day of the Dove".

I recall implied rape in other shows too. Obviously the restrictions of the era didn't allow anything graphic, but the power of suggestion got the point across.

+1

Seriously, they went through the trouble to take it off camera. Why would they actually do that if Lars wasn't doing something to her that couldn't be shown on camera? What else could selection possibly mean? Why would she scream if he was just trying to help her?

 

[Nightdiamond]

Just a year later we would have Chekov nearly rape Mara in "The Day of the Dove".

I recall implied rape in other shows too. Obviously the restrictions of the era didn't allow anything graphic, but the power of suggestion got the point across.

+1

Seriously, they went through the trouble to take it off camera. Why would they actually do that if Lars wasn't doing something to her that couldn't be shown on camera? What else could selection possibly mean? Why would she scream if he was just trying to help her?

They did something similar in Wink of an Eye and left it open ended.

They could just as easily say Lars was trying to adjust her collar or put something else on her.

But what's so messed up about it is the story line . All 3 thralls had trays and were bringing food to them. Except Uhura's is the only specifically sent to have sex with her?

And so soon, instantly, just like that? Kirk and Chekov only had their food brought to them.

But other than that, agreed on how bold TOS was on the subject of rape. Also, Kirk definetly attempted to rape yeoman Rand in The Enemy Within.