Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil
I agree but I also think you could expect more interactions between the guys and more McCoy and dudebro stuff because Pegg is all about the male characters (listen to his interviews) and I'm sure his own bias influenced this aspect of the story and possibly changed the tone of the first two movies a bit.
The producers probably had to 'force' him to not scale back Uhura's role too much but she and her connection to kirk and Spock clearly doesn't interest him because he made a point in interviews (before he became a writer) that for him the story are the male characters only.
If he
is indeed doing that, then he's going to be in big trouble with many female viewers of the movie, and many female black Trek fans, both of who think that there's not enough women in the movies and not enough focus on the female characters (as well as not focusing on
this requirement in the movies. which said fans also would expect.)
IF that happens, he will say 'but girlss I told you that I can't write for women you should appreciate my honesty!'
Well Uhura is basically the same in that her job is the same.
When did you actually see her being an expert linguist in tos?
Unless you think her using a dictionary in stvi is 'the same job'
The thing I don't like is that they made her a girlfriend of a officer. Why?
And why they made kirk and spock and kirk and bones friends? How is that useful?
You are right, interpersonal relationships are not needed. Winona and George Kirk shouldn't have had a relationship. Why can't we have a documentary about the army where all the characters are in forced asexuality and the ship is like a monastery? Why not?
She used that relationship to get on the enterprise.
Kirk is the only one who got on the best ship because his best friend abused his position as a chief medical officer and decided to sneak him aboard his ship for no other reason than them being friends. But you ain't complaining about THAT, right? You pot/kettle on Kirk and Mccoy's behalf by accusing Uhura of doing what the guys did. Uhura is the one who almost didn't get on the ship she has earned with her studies BECAUSE of her relationship with Spock who overcompensated to be too professional and got called out by his gf on his stupidity.
I love, also, that some people keep blaming Uhura instead of Spock who actually was the one being unprofessional.
The fact that his mistake is not even perceived as such speaks volumes.
I have a feeling that if Uhura were male or Kirk or Mccoy, people would have zero issues with her having agency and going to her superior to argue about an unfair treatment.
It's always that scene alone fans complain about, yet the many instances of the guys being insubordinate with their superiors are ignored.
Shouldn't Uhura be written as a smart character in this day and age instead of a love interest in between the captain and spock?
Didn't know that being smart and having a relationship are mutually exclusive
Unless you are saying that you consider it stupid for anyone to have any sort of relationship, platonic or not, with kirk and spock.
* what you even mean with 'in between the captain and spock'?
Why not give her a command of something.
Brilliant idea! Why don't we make all of them captains?
Then we won't have them all on the same ship/movie anymore but that's a tiny detail ..
As a modern retelling of Trek I would expect a lot more for the character instead we get a lot less with more screen time. Its time to end the silly Spock/Uhura relationship and give the character something better to do.
The irony in your statements is that you are completely ignoring the fact that Uhura was 'single' in tos because of sexism+racism that were not only the reason n.1 Roddenberry couldn't have a S/U thing, but also the reason why her character was very undedeveloped and you knew very little of her, not even her first name. Also why the actress herself (who didn't even have a regular contract like her co stars) wanted to leave the show.
In short, you are complaining that the reboot isn't as limited and bigoted with her and the other characters as tos was.
"I decided then from the character that I read [Spock] that I wanted to be very much like that character but in a feminine way. And Gene said, and I was sharing this with George (Takei) the other day, when I told him that I thought of Spock as my mentor. Because if you remember Uhura was the only one he was able to teach the Vulcan lyre to and she sang and spooffed on Spock. Now, you could have never had a love scene in 63 between Uhura and Spock but there were several hints and [back to Roddenberry] Gene was one in the kind of beginning to follow that " - Nichelle Nichols
It seems to me that the reboot is being sufficiently 'modern' since it stopped to reflect the 'cultural' limits of the 60s in that in 2015,
perhaps, Roddebberry wouldn't have much troubles portraying an Uhura who kisses a white lead without her agency being compromised by the fact that both her and her partner are mindwarped.
Well Uhura is basically the same in that her job is the same. The thing I don't like is that they made her a girlfriend of a officer. Why? She used that relationship to get on the enterprise. It just diodnt sit well with me. Shouldn't Uhura be written as a smart character in this day and age instead of a love interest in between the captain and spock? Why not give her a command of something. Give her some real responsibility instead of consoling Spock or hugging him etc.
Your argument is slightly confused - if Uhura had her own command she wouldn't be on the Enterprise! Also, remember she WAS entitled to be on the Enterprise, but Spock transferred her in a misguided attempt to seem impartial (that was his excuse, anyway). Apart from a bit of bickering in the shuttlepod to Kronos,
I don't think we've seen their relationship affect their duties.
No more than the guys' duty as officers is affected by the friendships.
But then, if people had a problem with that they'd have to criticize TOS too and the very aspects of it they claim to care the most about.
I think we are 50 years late realizing that star trek is not a documentary about the nasa or the army.
