First, my mistake. Should be T-3000. Can't keep these models straight anymore.
Second, thanks. That makes sense(ish).
Third, I have to agree with the T2, T1, TG, T3, TS order on the ranking.
Terminator Genisys - Discussion and Grading Thread (Spoilers)
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First, my mistake. Should be T-3000. Can't keep these models straight anymore.
Second, thanks. That makes sense(ish).
Third, I have to agree with the T2, T1, TG, T3, TS order on the ranking.
What a mediocre movie. I went in with really low expectations, but somehow was still disappointed. I was at least expecting a movie that flowed well or was paced nicely, but this wasn't really it. The movie started out promising, but after a few fights, things just really became plodding. Then things got to the point of ridiculousness. I don't understand how anyone could really like this movie for more than just the visuals. It's a mess.
I liked it was an actual change of pace. We finally got to see (the REAL) Future War everyone's been wanting to see for 24 years.
This movie contains a lot of my favorite actors and actresses (with the exception of Jai Courtney). I've been an Ah-nuld fan my entire life. Hell, my first Ah-nuld movie was the original Terminator. So for me it's awesome to see him on the big screen again kicking ass.
Emilia Clarke is absolutely stunning in Game of Thrones and the same in Genisys. Her take on Sarah Connor was interesting to me.
Jason Clarke is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors after Zero Dark Thirty, Lawless, The Chicago Code and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. He has a screen presence to me and held my attention when he was inspirational John Connor and scenery-chewing T-3000 John Connor.
I think a lot of people went in with the knowledge that James Cameron gets the rights back in 2019. I also feel that these same people decided beforehand that since James Cameron didn't make it, it's going to be absolutely horrid. I think they also think that if this movie bombs, then Cameron will get the rights back sooner and make a "TRUE" sequel to Terminator 2. Sorry, but I think people would be just as let down by a Cameron-directed T3 just because the expectations would be so damn high that they'd be unobtainable. And Cameron is obsessed with Avatar anyway, so that's not happening.
I'm not saying everybody on THIS board is guilty of this, but I suspect a lot of the vocal detractors of this movie went into it already decided that this movie was going to be terrible and cherry picked parts to uphold that opinion. I don't know what movie THEY saw, but the one I saw was very enjoyable and I might go watch it again tonight.
This movie contains a lot of my favorite actors and actresses (with the exception of Jai Courtney). I've been an Ah-nuld fan my entire life. Hell, my first Ah-nuld movie was the original Terminator. So for me it's awesome to see him on the big screen again kicking ass.
Emilia Clarke is absolutely stunning in Game of Thrones and the same in Genisys. Her take on Sarah Connor was interesting to me.
Jason Clarke is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors after Zero Dark Thirty, Lawless, The Chicago Code and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. He has a screen presence to me and held my attention when he was inspirational John Connor and scenery-chewing T-3000 John Connor.
I think a lot of people went in with the knowledge that James Cameron gets the rights back in 2019. I also feel that these same people decided beforehand that since James Cameron didn't make it, it's going to be absolutely horrid. I think they also think that if this movie bombs, then Cameron will get the rights back sooner and make a "TRUE" sequel to Terminator 2. Sorry, but I think people would be just as let down by a Cameron-directed T3 just because the expectations would be so damn high that they'd be unobtainable. And Cameron is obsessed with Avatar anyway, so that's not happening.
I'm not saying everybody on THIS board is guilty of this, but I suspect a lot of the vocal detractors of this movie went into it already decided that this movie was going to be terrible and cherry picked parts to uphold that opinion. I don't know what movie THEY saw, but the one I saw was very enjoyable and I might go watch it again tonight.
I don't think I've ever heard of "cherry picking" to describe picking the bad parts out...
I went in with extremely low expectations for this movie and it still found a way to disappoint me. It is average at best and that is being kind and this is coming from a HUGE Terminator fan. After three failed attempts to reboot, restart, reimage the series , I only ask when will we finally get a good terminator movie. The Sarah Conner Chronicles is easily the best thing the franchise has produced since T2, which although it was good, is still kinda sad.
He'll also be in the Everest film due out later this year. He plays Rob Hall, one of the climbers who died in the '96 disaster.
J World had a lot to do with that, still riding roughshod over everyone else.
And isn't it ironic that all the people wanting a Cameron Terminator film so badly are trashing one Cameron likes?
I don't believe Cameron likes this film.. I believe they paid him in a publicity stunt to save the film. I seem to recall saying he liked T3 (only he didn't make a video)
Cameron is rich as fuck. He has no reason to lie, even for money.
Maybe not. I just don't buy that video for a second.
Pretty sure that's more your problem than anyone else's. 
It could be. But we're talking about an industry where each guy never has enough money.. the richest star n Hollywood (who has enough money for life) will hold out for a $20 paycheck
I dunno man, I don't think he'd have done it for twenty dollars.
I have no trouble believing that Cameron liked it. Just because some fans didn't like it, doesn't mean he didn't.
I've watched the video.. it seems like he was acting.. really acting.. really sugar coating it. That's what I see.
Just got back. Friend had a free movie pass and took me along.
Thank Christ I didn't pay to see *that*. What drivel. What is this shit about a nexus point? If this is the same Kyle Reese that went back to save Sarah, right up to the point where Matt Smith's character did his nano-mind meld trick on John, then how is this NOT how it's always gone down (Using the original Terminator movie as reference)?
I know these sorts of films play it fast and loose with internal inconsistency at times (see: Trek 2009) and how they fit in with the general canon, but this was just an appallingly bad effort to reconcile what they were trying to do (did they know what they were trying to do?) with what had come before.
Colour me jaded for any more dumbass attempts at reconciling reboots with continuity they intend to roll over anyway. Hard reboots for the win.
Thank Christ I didn't pay to see *that*. What drivel. What is this shit about a nexus point? If this is the same Kyle Reese that went back to save Sarah, right up to the point where Matt Smith's character did his nano-mind meld trick on John, then how is this NOT how it's always gone down (Using the original Terminator movie as reference)?
I know these sorts of films play it fast and loose with internal inconsistency at times (see: Trek 2009) and how they fit in with the general canon, but this was just an appallingly bad effort to reconcile what they were trying to do (did they know what they were trying to do?) with what had come before.
Colour me jaded for any more dumbass attempts at reconciling reboots with continuity they intend to roll over anyway. Hard reboots for the win.
Nothing smaller than a star should be important to "time" if "time" is a reflection of the entire universe.
But if you want to say that John Connor is important to time, then his importance to time drops by %99 after he sends Kyle back to the past to knock up his own mum.
But if you want to say that John Connor is important to time, then his importance to time drops by %99 after he sends Kyle back to the past to knock up his own mum.
Juju Zombie
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It's because the only way for the timeline in the Terminator franchise to make any sense, all the way back to the original, is for it to be a spiral (well, a helix really) rather than a loop.
What we saw in the original movie was completely impossible. There's just no way for it to have started that way; at some point, Kyle Reese had to have been sent back by a John Conner (or more likely, some other figure) that wasn't his son. But once that event occurred, the whole thing with Reese fathering John became a recurring part of events. We just came into the picture somewhere in the middle of the "time spiral," so we never saw the true origins that created it. At the earliest, we were witnessing the third incarnation of the series of events; the first had to be someone else sending Reese back, the second had to involve Resse knocking up Sarah and producing John, and the third had to be the result of John sending Reese back. Chances are there were lots of other jumps in there, too, but three is the bare minimum.
Now what we see in Genisys is that spiral continuing on. Everything that's changed is a result of previous time jumps, and this movie itself even comes out and says that simply by having both Pops and a T-1000 already screwing with things when that never happened in the first (to our perspective; not the actual original which, again, we've never seen) timeline. Each time a jump happens, every single event changes.
Heck, unless Kyle Reese bangs Sarah at exactly the same time he jumps back, and exactly the same sperm impregnates the exact same egg, it's not even the same John Connor we see each time it happens.
I'm willing to bet this is exactly how Skynet explains things in future movies, assuming there are any. It certainly explains the comments he made in this one, about all the different outcomes and the long distances he's traveled to get there.
Some people like defining that style of time travel as the creation of infinite timelines, but in this series it's always been just one timeline... just one that keeps getting screwed up over and over and over again. And at no point is there an actual paradox, as there was a logical way for it all to have started.
That said, there's a reason Matt Smith was cast for the role as Skynet, even if more as a joke than a legitimate reason.
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Welcome Juju.
Matt was playing a mirror universe Skynet who was also from the future, because John's forces had just killed the indigenous Skynet to that timeline. If Skynet was dead in the 2029 present, they forward of 2029 in all branching timelines from that point would have no future Skynets alive to back step and fuddle with the 2029 past.
Matt Smith is from diagonally in time.
Remember the TV show Sliders?
That plus time-travel.
There is no helix or loop, it's just sheets of sponge cake layered on top of one another.
It seems that you can't go back to your own origin timeline which you call home after you splinter back into history, and change the past, so nothing you do will effect the old timeline you came from. It's all still there safe (as an untouchable and inviolable parallel universe) and unaffected (unless you have better tech. Matt Smith's Skynet had better tech.). Everything you do in the past creates a new future, no matter how similar from the one you came from, which is not the timeline you came from, which sometimes can create the illusion or a loop or a helix, if the new timeline you are inventing looks a hell of a lot like where you came from.
Matt was playing a mirror universe Skynet who was also from the future, because John's forces had just killed the indigenous Skynet to that timeline. If Skynet was dead in the 2029 present, they forward of 2029 in all branching timelines from that point would have no future Skynets alive to back step and fuddle with the 2029 past.
Matt Smith is from diagonally in time.
Remember the TV show Sliders?
That plus time-travel.
There is no helix or loop, it's just sheets of sponge cake layered on top of one another.
It seems that you can't go back to your own origin timeline which you call home after you splinter back into history, and change the past, so nothing you do will effect the old timeline you came from. It's all still there safe (as an untouchable and inviolable parallel universe) and unaffected (unless you have better tech. Matt Smith's Skynet had better tech.). Everything you do in the past creates a new future, no matter how similar from the one you came from, which is not the timeline you came from, which sometimes can create the illusion or a loop or a helix, if the new timeline you are inventing looks a hell of a lot like where you came from.
I too thought Cameron said back in 2003 he liked T3 there a few weeks back after he first stared endorsing this one by calling it "the real third movie." But then the only thing I could find was an interview where he was asked how he felt about the series continuing on without him and he said something like "I've done all I want with this series, if someone else has a story to tell in this setting, I've no problem with that."
