Rewatched TMP last night
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So glad to see so many fans of TMP here!!! There have been days I thought I was the only one :-)
Anyway, don't know if this has been mentioned, but there is an absolutely FABULOUS, very elaborate, fan edit of the film, with tweaked FX shots to boot. It's called Star Trek: The Reunion. You can read about it on the Internet Fan Edit Database here:
http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-listings/fanfix/1112-star-trek-reunion
I've watched it several times now and it may be my new favorite version of the film. Check it out if you get a chance!
Anyway, don't know if this has been mentioned, but there is an absolutely FABULOUS, very elaborate, fan edit of the film, with tweaked FX shots to boot. It's called Star Trek: The Reunion. You can read about it on the Internet Fan Edit Database here:
http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/79-fanedit-listings/fanfix/1112-star-trek-reunion
I've watched it several times now and it may be my new favorite version of the film. Check it out if you get a chance!
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Shameless plug alert?
^Don't see anywhere how to view it. Do you have to donate first to watch it? If so, I pass.
It occurred to me recently that the only Trek movies that can really be improved by an edit are TMP (to speed things up) and TFF (to cut the jokiness). With the others, the flaws (if there are flaws) are inherent in the basic story.
From that link:
I must admit, this definitely sounds more in line with the Kirk we see elsewhere, but not the one from TMP. Obviously there's a real character reason for his indecisiveness in the movie -- on some level he's questioning in the back of his mind whether he should even be back in that chair at all -- but certainly I can see how removing those moments would bring him back into line with the more familiar, dynamic personality that we see Kirk as in all other iterations of TOS-Trek.
I must admit, this definitely sounds more in line with the Kirk we see elsewhere, but not the one from TMP. Obviously there's a real character reason for his indecisiveness in the movie -- on some level he's questioning in the back of his mind whether he should even be back in that chair at all -- but certainly I can see how removing those moments would bring him back into line with the more familiar, dynamic personality that we see Kirk as in all other iterations of TOS-Trek.
I have nothing to do with the Fan Edit Database or the fan edit in question. I'm just a HUGE Motion Picture fan and came across what I feel is an astonishingly good version of the film -- far better than the Wise Director's Cut.
You do not have to donate or pay to watch any of the films. Downloading a Fan Edit takes a bit of setting up, and can be frustrating -- its a weird process -- but there are so many incredible fan cuts of films out there ("Star Wars: Revisited" is mind blowing) that I think its worth it to figure out. If you Google "How do I download a fan edit?" you'll find several sites that can walk you through the process.
I'm not sure what this site's policy is regarding fan edits -- they can be controversial because you're getting the film for free -- although the Fan Edit Database is very adamant about being sure you own a copy of the original film before downloading anything. It's also why they leave it to users to figure out how the process works. Hope that helps!
From the link:
This change baffles me, the original shows some thought going into the design and function of Enterprise, was it to bring it in line with the later productions where they got cheap/lazy and had the dish always be blue so they could use stock footage and wouldn't have to worry about continuity issues?
This change baffles me, the original shows some thought going into the design and function of Enterprise, was it to bring it in line with the later productions where they got cheap/lazy and had the dish always be blue so they could use stock footage and wouldn't have to worry about continuity issues?
While I can't speak for the fan editor, I know that one of the concerns he attempted to address was the blandness of the color scheme -- I think he mentions this in his notes on the website. He did a lot in this area over all by subtly boosting the color of the film and in some cases, changing colors entirely to add more dynamism. For example, he has re-colored the Klingon cruisers in a light green (looks very cool and is in line with how they appear in other Trek iterations). I suspect changing the deflector to always be blue was another attempt at boosting the color of the film.
Ordinarily, I would be against this kind of thing as well -- but I have to say it works exceptionally well. He really has made the film pop visually without it looking as though the color as been boosted. For example, in the rec dec scene, he has brought out (not added) the blue highlights of the set -- something I had not even been aware was there.
You say this like it's proven fact, but it's all subjective. Personally, I'd rather take Bob Wise's cut of the film over anyone else not involved with the project. A lot of the changes that fanedit makes are ones I do not agree with stylistically. Being a big fan of Wise's "The Andromeda Strain" (indeed, it's one of my all-time favorite films), thus I see TMP to be a sister film in many respects, and I don't care for people messing with that.
Obviously my point is subjective, hence the use of "what I feel" in the complete sentence. However, I too am a massive fan of Robert Wise and think he is one of only a handful of directors that know how to properly compose in widescreen. Andromeda Strain is brilliant -- and shows how sci-fi taken seriously can be just as riveting (if not more so) than shoot 'em ups. And I very much agree with your point that the two films are thematically linked. Be that as it may, I still recommend checking out this edit to those who are fans -- I think you'll be really impressed.
I'm a bit nervous about the comments regarding the missing action, since i think TMP needs tighter editing but more character scenes, rather than more action but if the character scenes from the SLE have been edited in, I will give it a go.
I'm far more interested in the Star Wars edits actually. How do you download these?
My bad - should have read the posts above more carefully. I'm not a fan of any edit that completely edits out Janice! The star wars edits do look interesting though...
I'm far more interested in the Star Wars edits actually. How do you download these?
My bad - should have read the posts above more carefully. I'm not a fan of any edit that completely edits out Janice! The star wars edits do look interesting though...
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The forums on originaltrilogy.com are probably a good place to start to learn more about fan edits, both Star Wars and otherwise.
I'm happy to walk you through what I did if you are not able to figure it out. However, I'm really new to the boards so not sure how to connect privately. There's a steep learning curve at the beginning so don't get frustrated. But YES the Star Wars fan edits are incredible -- and what have now become my regular versions of those films.
Downloads underway. There are only two edited versions of TMP I think. One to make it like a 2-part TOS story and the one you linked to. They're tempting but both edit out Sonak and there is not enough information on how much from the SLE has been edited in. The edits to the characters sound largely positive although I'm split on toning down Decker's relationship to Ilia - that seems very important to me. My issue with TMP on the small screen is that I want less reaction shots and shorter special effects panoramics but the character moments from the SLE left in. I think the edit that you linked to almost does that. If it still had Sonak and the transporter malfunction, I would probably go with it.
I'm downloading the Star Wars prequel edits now. I'm reasonably happy with the original trilogy apart from Han shooting first but the prequels all need work. The main problem I can see is that some edits remove Darth Vader and some keep Padme alive (cleverly using footage from the Other Boelyn Girl) but none of them do both! The edit I really wanted to try for SWIII doesn't seem to be streaming so I've had to go for a second choice that seems to be a light edit. Any eidt that leaves in much of the last half an hour is probably not going to be quite my thing lol.
Maybe you guys could carry on in PM or create a thread in the appropriate forum....
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