Pegg updates on script

[Amaris]

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

No, he's correct. The episode unfolds in a way that serves the script. Everything that happens, whether easy or difficult, is because the script dictates it as such, which is why in one series episode it looks like androids are plentiful and common encounters (TOS), and in other series episodes, androids are rare and unique (TNG). There really is no such thing as hard canon, because whatever needs to happen will happen if the script says that's what must be done.

That's the way it has been from the start.

This is all so true. It reminds me of the difference in the main turbo lift to the bridge in both movies. In Trek 09 we see Spock going to the engine room to the bridge in a mere seconds, in Into Darkness Kirk and Uhura are able to have a nice lengthy conversation.

Good example. "Speed of plot" is what guides these movies and episodes. How many times have we seen our characters in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and so on, having long conversations while in the turbolift, while only going down a few decks?

 

[Kelso]

This is all so true. It reminds me of the difference in the main turbo lift to the bridge in both movies. In Trek 09 we see Spock going to the engine room to the bridge in a mere seconds, in Into Darkness Kirk and Uhura are able to have a nice lengthy conversation.

Quite so. Turbolift rides have always taken the exact length of the characters' conversation. Spock arrived on the bridge very quickly because he had no one to talk to.

 

[Amaris]

This is all so true. It reminds me of the difference in the main turbo lift to the bridge in both movies. In Trek 09 we see Spock going to the engine room to the bridge in a mere seconds, in Into Darkness Kirk and Uhura are able to have a nice lengthy conversation.

Quite so. Turbolift rides have always taken the exact length of the characters' conversation. Spock arrived on the bridge very quickly because he had no one to talk to.

I call it the Heisenberg Ambience Regulator.

 

[BillJ]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

It doesn't take a screenwriting expert to know that the writers are going to use the elements they need to get where they need to go within the allotted time and budget.

Why else do the Borg always send one cube to Earth? Why didn't the Borg go back in time in the Delta Quadrant then go from there to assimilate Earth?

A story can take shortcuts/have oversights and still be an enjoyable ride.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

I didn't realize that only actual screenwriters could post their opinions. If we are going to be looking at qualifications in terms of expertise, then what other qualification is there, in terms of being an 'expert.'

 

[Amaris]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

I didn't realize that only actual screenwriters could post their opinions. If we are going to be looking at qualifications in terms of expertise, then what other qualification is there, in terms of being an 'expert.'

That means, of all of us, Dennis is likely the best authority, because has written a number of screenplays, and they've been made into Star Trek episodes.

 

[Ovation]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

It doesn't take a screenwriting expert to know that the writers are going to use the elements they need to get where they need to go within the allotted time and budget.

Why else do the Borg always send one cube to Earth? Why didn't the Borg go back in time in the Delta Quadrant then go from there to assimilate Earth?

A story can take shortcuts/have oversights and still be an enjoyable ride.

Quite so. Any story can be picked apart if one is so inclined. Such an exercise can be fun on occasion but if it becomes a default position adopted in the face of all entertainment, then why bother?

 

[fireproof78]

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

I didn't realize that only actual screenwriters could post their opinions. If we are going to be looking at qualifications in terms of expertise, then what other qualification is there, in terms of being an 'expert.'

That means, of all of us, Dennis is likely the best authority, because has written a number of screenplays, and they've been made into Star Trek episodes.

I'll just leave this here

I'll never understand why nuTrek can never be regarded as good as some of TOS episodes. Does the faster pace and lens flares distract that much? *

*That's a legitimate question. I am genuinely confused by the attitude that NuTrek is garbage, but TOS can do no wrong (minor hyperbole).

 

[Amaris]

I didn't realize that only actual screenwriters could post their opinions. If we are going to be looking at qualifications in terms of expertise, then what other qualification is there, in terms of being an 'expert.'

That means, of all of us, Dennis is likely the best authority, because has written a number of screenplays, and they've been made into Star Trek episodes.

I'll just leave this here

I'm only talkin' 'bout Dennis.

I'll never understand why nuTrek can never be regarded as good as some of TOS episodes. Does the faster pace and lens flares distract that much? *

*That's a legitimate question. I am genuinely confused by the attitude that NuTrek is garbage, but TOS can do no wrong (minor hyperbole).

For some, though not all, by allowing NuTrek to be good as some of the episodes means putting it on equal footing. Some people can't tolerate that idea.

 

[JWPlatt]

No, he's correct. The episode unfolds in a way that serves the script. Everything that happens, whether easy or difficult, is because the script dictates it as such, which is why in one series episode it looks like androids are plentiful and common encounters (TOS), and in other series episodes, androids are rare and unique (TNG). There really is no such thing as hard canon, because whatever needs to happen will happen if the script says that's what must be done.

That's the way it has been from the start.

This is all so true. It reminds me of the difference in the main turbo lift to the bridge in both movies. In Trek 09 we see Spock going to the engine room to the bridge in a mere seconds, in Into Darkness Kirk and Uhura are able to have a nice lengthy conversation.

Good example. "Speed of plot" is what guides these movies and episodes. How many times have we seen our characters in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and so on, having long conversations while in the turbolift, while only going down a few decks?

Consistency is like, and part of, continuity. The alternate reality eliminated continuity out of convenience, and perhaps consistency. Consistency has always been the victim of the script, as others have said.

I'll never understand why nuTrek can never be regarded as good as some of TOS episodes. Does the faster pace and lens flares distract that much?

Abrams' lens flare became like the newsman who unwittingly becomes part of the story. It's a distraction from the story and a corruption of the medium.

The faster pace to satisfy the "ADD generation" and the need for instant gratification is becoming an old story.

 

[HIjol]

What a great blog post. He's a smart gent.

+1

+2

The idea of our prolonged youth is something I’ve been interested in for a very long time. It’s essentially what Spaced was about, at least in part.

One of the things that inspired Jessica and myself, all those years ago, was the unprecedented extension our generation was granted to its youth, in contrast to the previous generation, who seemed to adopt a received notion of maturity at lot sooner. The children of the 70s and 80s were the first generation, for whom it wasn’t imperative to ‘grow up’ immediately after leaving school. Why this happened is a whole other sociological discussion: a rise in the student population, progress in gender equality, the absence of world war; all these things and more contributed to this social evolution. What fascinated Jess and I was the way we utilised this time. For Tim and Daisy, not having to grow up in the way their parents did, simply meant a continuation of their childhood. For Daisy, it was the pursuit of her girlhood dreams and fantasies. For Tim, he channeled his childhood passions into his adult life, cared about them as much, invested in them, the same level of time, importance and emotion. His hobbies and interests defined who he was, rather than his professional status.


In the 18 years since we wrote Spaced, this extended adolescence has been cannily co-opted by market forces, who have identified this relatively new demographic as an incredibly lucrative wellspring of consumerist potential. Suddenly, here was an entire generation crying out for an evolved version of the things they were consuming as children. This demographic is now well and truly serviced in all facets of entertainment and the first and second childhoods have merged into a mainstream phenomenon.

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Pegg is one smart, observant guy and a good writer.

+1 1/2

For me, it was superior to Avengers Assemble in every aspect, yet it made only a fraction of what Avengers made at the boxoffice.

I second that . star trek 2009 was better than avengers assemble.

+7

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

No, he's correct. The episode unfolds in a way that serves the script. Everything that happens, whether easy or difficult, is because the script dictates it as such, which is why in one series episode it looks like androids are plentiful and common encounters (TOS), and in other series episodes, androids are rare and unique (TNG). There really is no such thing as hard canon, because whatever needs to happen will happen if the script says that's what must be done.

That's the way it has been from the start.

Very Well Said!

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

I didn't realize that only actual screenwriters could post their opinions. If we are going to be looking at qualifications in terms of expertise, then what other qualification is there, in terms of being an 'expert.'

That means, of all of us, Dennis is likely the best authority, because has written a number of screenplays, and they've been made into Star Trek episodes.

Dennis, will you be available to sign copies of the 'plays?

And, where do I send my resume for Intern Screenwriter?

 

[fireproof78]

That means, of all of us, Dennis is likely the best authority, because has written a number of screenplays, and they've been made into Star Trek episodes.

I'll just leave this here

I'm only talkin' 'bout Dennis.

Well, I'll just take my funny clip and go play somewhere else

I'll never understand why nuTrek can never be regarded as good as some of TOS episodes. Does the faster pace and lens flares distract that much? *

*That's a legitimate question. I am genuinely confused by the attitude that NuTrek is garbage, but TOS can do no wrong (minor hyperbole).

For some, though not all, by allowing NuTrek to be good as some of the episodes means putting it on equal footing. Some people can't tolerate that idea.

I suppose I understand that point, some what, but I can't disagree more. And I know I'm guilty of jumping in to defend Abrams Trek at every turn, but it is frustrating when it gets mocked at every turn.

I welcome open, honest discussion regarding the thematic and social commentary found in the films, because I see a tone of it in there for the taking.

I wasn't here for Trek 09 and was barely here for ID, so if this feels rehashed, I apologize. Send me PMs if you want to discuss it more, I guess.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Abrams' lens flare became like the newsman who unwittingly becomes part of the story. It's a distraction from the story and a corruption of the medium.

I love it when you go OTT.

The faster pace to satisfy the "ADD generation" and the need for instant gratification is becoming an old story.

What's the cut off for the "ADD generation"? I was born in 1959.

 

[Amaris]

I'm only talkin' 'bout Dennis.

Well, I'll just take my funny clip and go play somewhere else

Oh, well I was just hoping you got my "But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft!" joke.

I suppose I understand that point, some what, but I can't disagree more. And I know I'm guilty of jumping in to defend Abrams Trek at every turn, but it is frustrating when it gets mocked at every turn.

I welcome open, honest discussion regarding the thematic and social commentary found in the films, because I see a tone of it in there for the taking.

I wasn't here for Trek 09 and was barely here for ID, so if this feels rehashed, I apologize. Send me PMs if you want to discuss it more, I guess.

Have no fear, it will be rehashed a thousand times more before the new movie comes out, so you'll get filled in rather quickly on why people disagree about what and where.

 

[Devon]

I mean, if you look at that bunch over on Facebook closely you find out that their big "informant" was someone supposedly working on the Enterprise Season 5 campaign - and it turned out that this someone was completely fictitious. The "informant" died suddenly of a previously unhinted-at long-term illness a few months ago.

Sorry to go off topic, but I had a feeling something was fishy about "her." I just read the whole Reddit scoop and it all makes sense now.

It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode called "The Susie" where "Susie" was completely made up to begin with and "dies" and a funeral is even held for her. Peterman is so emotional.

 

[JWPlatt]

Abrams' lens flare became like the newsman who unwittingly becomes part of the story. It's a distraction from the story and a corruption of the medium.

I love it when you go OTT.

Thanks. I've been noticing you've been stalking my posts. I'll consider it the compliment you intended. Btw, it wasn't a comment out of the blue, as you surreptitiously present it here, but a reply to a previous comment that you left out.

The faster pace to satisfy the "ADD generation" and the need for instant gratification is becoming an old story.

What's the cut off for the "ADD generation"? I was born in 1959.

I said it was becoming an old story. I guess it started with you then. Thanks a lot.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

+99 on that Pegg blog post. Some good stuff in there. Here's hoping nuTrek can go three-for-three on good movies while towing the line capably enough to rake in more money this time.

 

[urbandefault]

I read the blog post earlier, then read a discussion about it on another forum before picking it up here.

Gotta say, there's been a lot less fanboy outrage here than the other place. But, the day is young.

 

[drt]

I read the blog post earlier, then read a discussion about it on another forum before picking it up here.

Gotta say, there's been a lot less fanboy outrage here than the other place. But, the day is young.

Yeah, for some reason the "too Star Trek-y" part seems to have not bothered folks too much at all, nor the idea that the new script needs to appeal to broader audiences (which fits with the "Paramount wants it more like Guardians of the Galaxy" bit that did upset some a few months ago).

 

[lurok]

STID was also better and smarter than 20% of TNG, 25% of DS9 and all of Voyager.

Now them's fightin' words