Pegg updates on script

[Mudd]

Interesting to see that shooting of the film has been postponed again, to July now.

First it was to be late 2014, then it became February 2015, then March, then April, then May... then we got TPTB claim it had to be filming in June and now it's pushed back to July...

Remember the press releases about shooting in Korea, Karl Urban claiming he read the script, Bill Shatner being in it... All just nonsense and now we don't even have a script at all.

First Pegg claimed he had a script, now just a draft, which means his first script was not approved...

Mark my words, this movie isn't shooting in July either.

I'd rather have them push back the release date if that means we'll be getting a decent movie...

We'll see what happens.

You can parse Pegg's words in whatever way you think makes you sound like you've got an argument that holds water, but you don't. You've been wrong all along here, you've backpedaled and equivocated and you're going to be demonstrated to be wrong again.

What will you do when the movie starts shooting at the end of July? Your baseless assertions will go entirely bust then.

You know what I'd like to see? A direct link to Para Mobius's supposed predictions about Orci last fall - not a link to people discussing the prediction, or a quotation from it, or someone's memory of reading it or having a conversation with him. A link to the exact prediction with verifiable date and time.

Joseph McCarthy knew how to make a repeated absurdity work for him. There's a little gaggle of disgruntled so-called fans over on Facebook who have made a career for the last six or seven months out of posting delusional claims and outright lies about this movie never being made, or about some nonsensical and non-existent Star Trek TV series that was supposed to be announced at the beginning of this year (and then in May...and then?).

Somehow all these clever would-be muckrakers managed to completely miss the fact that their main "insider informant" was someone who turned out to be a fake Facebook persona. Some "investigators."

 

[Jedi_Master]

Interesting to see that shooting of the film has been postponed again, to July now.

First it was to be late 2014, then it became February 2015, then March, then April, then May... then we got TPTB claim it had to be filming in June and now it's pushed back to July...

Remember the press releases about shooting in Korea, Karl Urban claiming he read the script, Bill Shatner being in it... All just nonsense and now we don't even have a script at all.

First Pegg claimed he had a script, now just a draft, which means his first script was not approved...

Mark my words, this movie isn't shooting in July either.

I'd rather have them push back the release date if that means we'll be getting a decent movie...

We'll see what happens.

You can parse Pegg's words in whatever way you think makes you sound like you've got an argument that holds water, but you don't. You've been wrong all along here, you've backpedaled and equivocated and you're going to be demonstrated to be wrong again.

What will you do when the movie starts shooting at the end of July? Your baseless assertions will go entirely bust then.

Oh I am sure at that point some zealous "fans" will attempt to organize an online petition or something to boycott the film they said was never going to happen.
But didn't you hear that there have already been either 12 or 14 rejected scripts and that Paramount won't approve a budget over $80 million? Delusion springs eternal.

Pegg is awesome by the way, the more I read that blog post of his, the more I appreciate him as a writer.

 

[Mudd]

I mean, if you look at that bunch over on Facebook closely you find out that their big "informant" was someone supposedly working on the Enterprise Season 5 campaign - and it turned out that this someone was completely fictitious. The "informant" died suddenly of a previously unhinted-at long-term illness a few months ago. Then there's the fact that another of their leading lights turned out to be a convicted sex offender who under Facebook's terms of service shouldn't have been using FB at all...

 

[Jedi_Master]

In the end (to keep M'Sharak from rapping on my off topic knuckles) those kind of fans prove Pegg's point, and end up providing the market for the kind of films (big 'splosions!) that they profess to hate.

 

[mos6507]

No dumber than most oldTrek.

Yes dumber than most old trek. Trek consists of more than just Spock's Brain and Way to Eden, Dennis. So don't start cherry-picking and then slap the word "most" on it.

A great deal less dumb than some of the amateur efforts that trekkies engage in and praise unreasonably.

I don't find those who criticize JJ Trek for being dumb lavish praise on "dumb" episodes fan-films. Do you have to always try to defend JJ Trek by launching personal attacks against other fans? Your argument is really going in a juvenile direction.

I guess I should give you credit for not just posting your trademarked "NOPE" image, though.

Despite the kind of humor in Pegg's films, when it comes to his personal viewpoints on his blogs, the guy's got some serious gray-matter, and as well as more self-awareness about how "dumb" big popcorn movies are. Even though he didn't list the first two Trek films in the big dumb popcorn movie category, he sure as hell implied as much, by saying that the third Trek film should try to break out of that mold. And this is causing JJ fans to turn into a knot over it. All this does is further confirm that Orci was pushed out of the director's chair because his script sucked. I applaud Pegg for having the guts to say anything other than that the status quo was all hunky dory. I don't know if Trek 3 will be cerebral or not, but I trust Pegg when he says he wants to at least make it less by-the-numbers, which by definition means it will be LESS JJ-trek-like.

 

[Mach5]

“Avengers Assemble, which is a pretty nerdy, comic-book, supposedly niche thing, made $1.5bn dollars. Star Trek: Into Darkness made half a billion, which is still brilliant.

“But it means that, according to the studio, there’s still $1bn worth of box office that don’t go and see Star Trek. And they want to know why.”

Surely, Paramount cannot be THIS clueless, can they?

Commercially, Star Trek already peaked under Abrams. IMO, ST09 was one of the most entertaining, most visually spectacular popcorn flicks of the past decade, right up there with the first Iron Man movie. For me, it was superior to Avengers Assemble in every aspect, yet it made only a fraction of what Avengers made at the boxoffice.

You can make it flashy and loud, dumb it down, sacrifice substance in favor of mass appeal all you want, but the audience just ISN'T THERE. Not that kind of audience, anyway. To think that Trek could ever compete with MCU or Star Wars is ludicrous.

The trick should be to find just the right balance between catering to the masses and keeping the core audience (fans) from going apeshit.

STID, despite the issues many of us had with it, did that pretty well.

 

[BillJ]

No dumber than most oldTrek.

Yes dumber than most old trek. Trek consists of more than just Spock's Brain and Way to Eden, Dennis. So don't start cherry-picking and then slap the word "most" on it.

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

 

[Jedi_Master]

You can make it flashy and loud, dumb it down, sacrifice substance in favor of mass appeal all you want, but the audience just ISN'T THERE. Not that kind of audience, anyway.

Furious 7 hit $1 billion worldwide in 17 days. That's the audience the execs are going after... and we can thank Pegg for at least making a film that will adhere to the Trek framework while still chasing that worldwide audience. Sorry folks, no one is interested in catering to the self-proclaimed "core" fans any more.

 

[JarodRussell]

You can make it flashy and loud, dumb it down, sacrifice substance in favor of mass appeal all you want, but the audience just ISN'T THERE. Not that kind of audience, anyway.

Furious 7 hit $1 billion worldwide in 17 days. That's the audience the execs are going after... and we can thank Pegg for at least making a film that will adhere to the Trek framework while still chasing that worldwide audience. Sorry folks, no one is interested in catering to the self-proclaimed "core" fans any more.

Furious had cars (which are cool, unlike Trek), Vin Diesel (who is cool, unlike Trek), The Rock (who is mega cool, unlike Trek), and a dead lead actor (almost like Trek).

 

[Amaris]

You can make it flashy and loud, dumb it down, sacrifice substance in favor of mass appeal all you want, but the audience just ISN'T THERE. Not that kind of audience, anyway.

Furious 7 hit $1 billion worldwide in 17 days. That's the audience the execs are going after... and we can thank Pegg for at least making a film that will adhere to the Trek framework while still chasing that worldwide audience. Sorry folks, no one is interested in catering to the self-proclaimed "core" fans any more.

I really think we're in for a great film. Simon Pegg, who is brilliant and funny, Justin Lin, who has built up a franchise based on racing cars into a well structured narrative, combined with our favorite Star Trek characters. I realize that nothing is set in stone, but I am looking forward to this film in a big way.

 

[Mudd]

No dumber than most oldTrek.

Yes dumber than most old trek. Trek consists of more than just Spock's Brain and Way to Eden, Dennis. So don't start cherry-picking and then slap the word "most" on it.

I do know what I'm talking about, and you're mistaken.

Your main error is being so wedded to the "nuTrek is dumb" whinging that you assume a comparison of the new to the old is dragging down the old. The opposite is true.

BTW, STID was smarter and had more to say than "The Doomsday Machine" or "The Trouble With Tribbles." Hell, rhere's not much TOS after the first season that it isn't better than.

 

[Amaris]

I agree. While I love TOS, I found later on that most of my favorite episodes are packed into the first season. There's very little there I don't like. The second season is more hit and miss, and the third season is mostly miss, with a few really good ones in there milling about.

I hate this idea that TOS was somehow cerebral, intellectual, and too good for the commoners, but NuTrek, which tries to tackle major social issues today using that same general allegory, is somehow "dumb." It's bullshit.

 

[Mach5]

I really think we're in for a great film. Simon Pegg, who is brilliant and funny, Justin Lin, who has built up a franchise based on racing cars into a well structured narrative, combined with our favorite Star Trek characters. I realize that nothing is set in stone, but I am looking forward to this film in a big way.

Yeah, I believe in Simon too.

BTW, STID was smarter and had more to say than "The Doomsday Machine" or "The Trouble With Tribbles." Hell, rhere's not much TOS after the first season that it isn't better than.

STID was also better and smarter than 20% of TNG, 25% of DS9 and all of Voyager.

 

[M'Sharak]

No dumber than most oldTrek.

Yes dumber than most old trek. Trek consists of more than just Spock's Brain and Way to Eden, Dennis. So don't start cherry-picking and then slap the word "most" on it.

A great deal less dumb than some of the amateur efforts that trekkies engage in and praise unreasonably.

I don't find those who criticize JJ Trek for being dumb lavish praise on "dumb" episodes fan-films. Do you have to always try to defend JJ Trek by launching personal attacks against other fans? Your argument is really going in a juvenile direction.

I guess I should give you credit for not just posting your trademarked "NOPE" image, though.
...

Post, not poster. I shouldn't have to keep telling you this.

If you have some personal axe to grind with Dennis, then take it out of this forum and off TrekBBS. It has no place here.

 

[mos6507]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

 

[saddestmoon]

Articulate and encouraging comments from Pegg: he continues to reinforce my opinion that Trek 3 is fantastic hands!

Huzzah!

 

[Dales]

For me, it was superior to Avengers Assemble in every aspect, yet it made only a fraction of what Avengers made at the boxoffice.

I second that . star trek 2009 was better than avengers assemble.

 

[ralph]

That seems to be a new reboot

 

[Amaris]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

No, he's correct. The episode unfolds in a way that serves the script. Everything that happens, whether easy or difficult, is because the script dictates it as such, which is why in one series episode it looks like androids are plentiful and common encounters (TOS), and in other series episodes, androids are rare and unique (TNG). There really is no such thing as hard canon, because whatever needs to happen will happen if the script says that's what must be done.

That's the way it has been from the start.

 

[Gojira]

It isn't cherry picking. Most of Star Trek does exactly what the script demands that be done to get where they need it to go.

"Sleep... Data..."

Thank you, resident screenwriting expert. I await your example of intellectual storytelling with great anticipation.

No, he's correct. The episode unfolds in a way that serves the script. Everything that happens, whether easy or difficult, is because the script dictates it as such, which is why in one series episode it looks like androids are plentiful and common encounters (TOS), and in other series episodes, androids are rare and unique (TNG). There really is no such thing as hard canon, because whatever needs to happen will happen if the script says that's what must be done.

That's the way it has been from the start.

This is all so true. It reminds me of the difference in the main turbo lift to the bridge in both movies. In Trek 09 we see Spock going to the engine room to the bridge in a mere seconds, in Into Darkness Kirk and Uhura are able to have a nice lengthy conversation.