Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[eyeresist]

There were a number of thoughtful sci-fi movies in the 70s that did pretty well (Close Encounters came out same year as Star Wars). It's possible they thought that kind of approach would still be commercial.

Close Encounters is not what I'd call a thoughtful film. I find it really rather brainless, more about emotion and sensation than anything rational or logically coherent. After all, UFO belief is a modern pseudo-religion, and CE3K is very much a story about pursuing faith and mystery in defiance of logic and common sense. So it's more "feelful" than thoughtful.

I agree it is essentially a mystical story, but allowing for that it's still a more meaningful story than any of the Star Wars movies, in emotional and social terms. Its approach is quite low key, not an action movie at all (the hero is a schlub whose greatest physical feat is to climb a steep hillside).

 

[johnjm22]

I read once that there's actually an attitude among studio execs that audiences won't respond to a story that doesn't relate to Earth. So movies like Nemesis and Into Darkness have been under pressure to bring the action and peril back to Earth for the final act, even when it was nonessential to the story. It's not that the writers and directors lack the imagination to go elsewhere, it's that the studio heads don't think audiences will respond to that.

Orci was doing an interview about STID and mentioned this ^.

Paramount informed him that "space movies" featuring earth, perform better at the box office than ones that don't. He didn't specifically say that Paramount pressured him, but I don't think it's a coincidence that STID spent significant time on earth.

As for ST13, it's certainly not going to be a cerebral science fiction movie of any kind; exploration based or otherwise. It's going to be another big dumb action movie.

 

[fireproof78]

There were a number of thoughtful sci-fi movies in the 70s that did pretty well (Close Encounters came out same year as Star Wars). It's possible they thought that kind of approach would still be commercial.

Close Encounters is not what I'd call a thoughtful film. I find it really rather brainless, more about emotion and sensation than anything rational or logically coherent. After all, UFO belief is a modern pseudo-religion, and CE3K is very much a story about pursuing faith and mystery in defiance of logic and common sense. So it's more "feelful" than thoughtful.

I agree it is essentially a mystical story, but allowing for that it's still a more meaningful story than any of the Star Wars movies, in emotional and social terms. Its approach is quite low key, not an action movie at all (the hero is a schlub whose greatest physical feat is to climb a steep hillside).

While I am of the opinion that you can derive meaning from multiple stories, but I think Star Wars has just as much potential for meaning as Close Encounters.

It may hit different people different ways, but it is, at its hard, a modern mythological tale, that allow the viewer to be emotionally invested in the characters. Close Encounters, obviously, has a similar impact, but the resonance can vary.

Actually, I think that any film can have meaning, intended or derived.

 

[ralph]

Orci was doing an interview about STID and mentioned this ^.

Paramount informed him that "space movies" featuring earth, perform better at the box office than ones that don't. He didn't specifically say that Paramount pressured him, but I don't think it's a coincidence that STID spent significant time on earth.

As for ST13, it's certainly not going to be a cerebral science fiction movie of any kind; exploration based or otherwise. It's going to be another big dumb action movie.

Enterprise could find a habitable planet similar to Earth in the late '60s, early '70s. I think it would be a beautiful tribute.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Enterprise could find a habitable planet similar to Earth in the late '60s, early '70s. I think it would be a beautiful tribute.

retro SF would be a cool tribute for the 50th, either the plot or just the opening like STID. Tomorrowland seems to be doing something along those lines so maybe..

 

[F. King Daniel]

The IMDB page has been updated. If true (and IMDB can be updated by anyone, so pinch of salt required), Joseph Gatt is back as Science Officer 0718/GATT2000.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/

 

[Khan 2.0]

looks like title has been confirmed as STB

 

[Christopher]

The IMDB page has been updated. If true (and IMDB can be updated by anyone, so pinch of salt required), Joseph Gatt is back as Science Officer 0718/GATT2000.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt2660888/

I never trust reports like that from IMDb. Its editors have a tendency to assume that previous cast members will be back even when there's no basis for it. Perhaps the most drastic example was the IMDb page for Star Trek Nemesis -- for a while before the film's release, the page claimed that virtually every actor who'd ever played a Romulan in TNG, DS9, or VGR would be appearing in the film. Ever since then, I've taken IMDb's advance cast notices with a whole shaker of salt.

 

[M'Sharak]

The time to take IMDb casting info seriously will be after the movie has been released and the credits verified. Even then, I wouldn't rule out shenanigans; remembering the time when some enterprising sort decided that, if Trip Tucker had a nickname, then the rest of the Enterprise main characters had to have nicknames too. I can't recall how long that stood, but it was for much longer than a few days or a couple of weeks.

 

[Christopher]

Not to mention that IMDb still hasn't corrected its erroneous claim that Victoria Vetri played Isis's human form in "Assignment: Earth." That's something that some guy on a website offered as a mere speculation, never claiming it was proven, and it's clearly wrong just by looking at the two women (who have different eye colors and only moderately similar facial features, plus Vetri has a very distinctive speck of pigment on the white of one eye), but some careless IMDb editor mistook that clearly indicated speculation for a fact, and other sources have been repeating that error ever since, because they just copy what IMDb says without question.

 

[urbandefault]

IMDB and Wikipedia contain what I like to call "ballpark" facts. I use them for a quick reference. If I recognize someone on a TV show but I can't remember the name I'll look it up and cross reference other listings to be sure.

Those sites are fun, but they wouldn't hold up in court.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Pegg on Graham Norton right now just called it Star Trek Beyond. I guess that's confirmed then

 

[eyeresist]

^ Ooh! Looking forward to that being broadcast down here.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Utube?

 

[eyeresist]

I never heard of it!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Pegg on Graham Norton right now just called it Star Trek Beyond. I guess that's confirmed then

Nah, he's trolling us. Remember Khan? This time they'll keep the title a secret until release

 

[Amaris]

Pegg on Graham Norton right now just called it Star Trek Beyond. I guess that's confirmed then

Nah, he's trolling us. Remember Khan? This time they'll keep the title a secret until release

Trek Fan 1: "Hey guys, did you see the new Star Trek movie?"
Trek Fan 2: "No, man, it was supposed to be at our theater, but I didn't see it."
Trek Fan 3: [runs up to the others] "Hey guys! I found it! It's under a totally different name: 'How Stellar Got Her Groove Back!'"

 

[Khan 2.0]

Pegg confirms the title again:
http://simonpegg.net/2015/05/19/big-mouth-strikes-again/

 

[Pauln6]

If Pegg wants to go for a more general non-sci fi appeal then I'd love a Star Trek Heist movie - best part off STIII was the heist! Problem is they screwed up since then by advancing the technology to the stage where you have to produce magical reasons why the magical technology doesn't make it easy and you stray into technobabble. Of course they could strand a few of the characters somewhere and force them to improvise. Could be fun. Less tech = more fun I think.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

A heist? Give Adrian Lester a part. Time travel to 21st century and rob a bank to purchase spare parts for the warp core.