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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

The thing is, the studios are generally more concerned with fitting movies into familiar movie genres than they are with being true to whatever source they come from. There have been a lot of sci-fi movies about space battles and saving the Earth and fighting space monsters and traveling in time, but films about science and exploration in outer space are more uncommon, at least in the post-Star Wars era. You've got older stuff like Forbidden Planet and 2001 and Planet of the Apes (before the twist ending) and Solaris and The Black Hole, but more recently there aren't so many -- a few Mars films, Event Horizon kinda, a remake of Solaris, Lost in Space. There's been a minor spate of them in the past couple of years, with Prometheus, Europa Report, and Interstellar, but still, it's not a prominent subgenre in film. So there's more desire from the studio execs to see combat and villains and Earth in danger than there is to see science and exploration and new worlds.

I read once that there's actually an attitude among studio execs that audiences won't respond to a story that doesn't relate to Earth. So movies like Nemesis and Into Darkness have been under pressure to bring the action and peril back to Earth for the final act, even when it was nonessential to the story. It's not that the writers and directors lack the imagination to go elsewhere, it's that the studio heads don't think audiences will respond to that.
 
Look how many times poor San Francisco has been attacked or destroyed in recent sci-fi movies. Six movies since 2006 destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge.

http://sf.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_films_where_San_Francisco_is_targeted_for_destruction

And almost all of them have probably gotten suspension bridge physics wrong, e.g. having part of the deck remain in place after the cables snap (they're the only things holding the deck up) or having the towers bend inward when the cables between them are severed (they'd more likely be yanked outward by the suddenly unbalanced tension on the outer ends of the cables).
 
Sound's strange ... it feels like there's a word missing. Star Trek Beyond ... beyond what?

Thunderdome

The Farthest Star

The Valley of the Dolls
Beyond the Poseidon Adventure

I have a very sneaky suspicion that despite the title and the departure of Damon Lindelof, this film will still feature Earth to some degree. Sadly that's one thing Star Trek has that Star Wars doesn't.
Since Star Wars takes place in a galaxy far, far away, there's no reason for them to go to Earth.

No. No Shatner cameo. Enough TOS nostalgia. This was supposed to be about making a fresh start unencumbered by fannish baggage, and so far it's fallen short of that goal. Let's make a clean break and move forward. Star Trek should not be about clinging to the past.

Don't get me wrong -- I liked the deleted Shatner cameo they had written for the '09 movie, and though it would've been a bit self-indulgent, I would've liked to see it there. But the window's passed, and STID showed that too much gratuitous nostalgia only hurts the series. So there comes a time when you just have to let it go.
I'm sure glad Doctor Who didn't take this attitude with its 50th anniversary story. Tom Baker's cameo was the best part of it, as far as I'm concerned, and reassured the Classic Who fans that the nuWho producers don't think Doctor Who only started in 2005 and what happened before was unimportant and "clinging to the past." :vulcan:


The title as it is seems silly. Beyond what?
 
Getting back to the exploration stuff for a moment, despite it being the party line of what Star Trek is allegedly about, the truth is very little of it is done. Even if we look at the TV shows for a moment, we see that the majority of TOS and TNG involved the Enterprise on Starfleet assignments, which either was the story for the episode or something went down while on assignment. DS9 was about day-to-day life on a space station, and Voyager was a ship trying to get home. Enterprise was the only series strictly about exploration and even that got changed by the third season.

Hell, eve take a look at some of the more popular TOS and TNG episodes that many feel define Trek, and very few of them are about exploration. TOS season 1 was already covered earlier in the thread, but of the fan favourites from season 2 there's:

Amok Time, in which Spock needs to return home.
Mirror, Mirror in which we see an evil version of the Enterprise and its crew.
The Doomsday Machine, basically an hour long space battle.
Journey to Babel in which the Enterprise is hosting a diplomatic conference which eventually becomes a bit of a murder mystery capped off with a space battle.
The Trouble with Tribbles in which the Enterprise is summoned to perform guard duty with the crew indulging in leave.

And then let's look at a handful of fan favourite TNG episodes:
Conspiracy: The Enterprise returns to Earth after Starfleet Command is infiltrated by alien parasites.
Q Who: When Picard pisses Q off the Enterprise is sent to a distant region of space. Okay, this is kind of exploration, though unintentional.
Yesterday's Enterprise: An alternate timeline where the Enterprise is a warship and the Federation is losing a war against the Klingons.
The Best of Both Worlds: The Federation is attacked by the Borg, Picard is abducted and assimilated, a fleet of Starships is destroyed.
Chain of Command: Part 1 is about a special ops mission into enemy territory, part 2 is about Picard being captured and tortured.

So, as we see not even Trek's more memorable episodes have much to do with exploring. Hell, in the case of TBOBW, it is almost always selected as being the best of TNG or even the best of Trek, and has nothing to do with exploration.
 
Getting back to the exploration stuff for a moment, despite it being the party line of what Star Trek is allegedly about, the truth is very little of it is done. Even if we look at the TV shows for a moment, we see that the majority of TOS and TNG involved the Enterprise on Starfleet assignments, which either was the story for the episode or something went down while on assignment. DS9 was about day-to-day life on a space station, and Voyager was a ship trying to get home. Enterprise was the only series strictly about exploration and even that got changed by the third season.

Hell, eve take a look at some of the more popular TOS and TNG episodes that many feel define Trek, and very few of them are about exploration. TOS season 1 was already covered earlier in the thread, but of the fan favourites from season 2 there's:

Amok Time, in which Spock needs to return home.
Mirror, Mirror in which we see an evil version of the Enterprise and its crew.
The Doomsday Machine, basically an hour long space battle.
Journey to Babel in which the Enterprise is hosting a diplomatic conference which eventually becomes a bit of a murder mystery capped off with a space battle.
The Trouble with Tribbles in which the Enterprise is summoned to perform guard duty with the crew indulging in leave.

And then let's look at a handful of fan favourite TNG episodes:
Conspiracy: The Enterprise returns to Earth after Starfleet Command is infiltrated by alien parasites.
Q Who: When Picard pisses Q off the Enterprise is sent to a distant region of space. Okay, this is kind of exploration, though unintentional.
Yesterday's Enterprise: An alternate timeline where the Enterprise is a warship and the Federation is losing a war against the Klingons.
The Best of Both Worlds: The Federation is attacked by the Borg, Picard is abducted and assimilated, a fleet of Starships is destroyed.
Chain of Command: Part 1 is about a special ops mission into enemy territory, part 2 is about Picard being captured and tortured.

So, as we see not even Trek's more memorable episodes have much to do with exploring. Hell, in the case of TBOBW, it is almost always selected as being the best of TNG or even the best of Trek, and has nothing to do with exploration.
Exploration doesn't always mean physical geography or spatial coordinates. Some of these episodes are exploring human and alien psychology. And since we don't know any RL aliens, the Star Trek aliens are just a way of exploring another facet of human psychology.

There's nothing in "Chain of Command" that couldn't be transferred to almost any other genre or even time period yet still remain the same essential story.
 
Now would be the perfect time to bring in the USS Relativity as they did in Voyager, it could just go back in time and stop Nero and then the time line would be back the way it should be. Or use that to bring Shatner into it.
 
Correctly stated, while the voiceover was about exploration, the series bible suggested the Enterprise's role was about patrol, assistance, resupply, defense and yes scientific exploration.

I felt there was more adventure and exploration in the first 10 minutes of STID than any of the previous movies combined. It fulfilled all the original bible claims on a big scale.

RAMA
 
Some sites are reporting about a possible shoot in Dubai and a possible cameo by William Shatner because he appeared at Middle East Film and Comic Con in Dubai.
I have neither read nor heard that Shatner said something he would make a cameo.
I think there is some misunderstanding.
 
Well, i certainly hope so.
Star Trek is about EXPLORATION, not fighting terrorists.
By this logic, the only TOS movie that was true to Star Trek was TFF. I like that movie, but is that really something you'd want to say?

Or are people thinking more along Rider Haggard in space? That could work.
Kang Suliban's Mines?

I read once that there's actually an attitude among studio execs that audiences won't respond to a story that doesn't relate to Earth. So movies like Nemesis and Into Darkness have been under pressure to bring the action and peril back to Earth for the final act, even when it was nonessential to the story.
In NEM there was a threat to Earth, but they didn't actually get back to Earth (spacedock) until the epilogue.
 
^I know. I was speaking more figuratively -- the peril was "brought back" to Earth in the sense of being directed toward it. I considered adding a qualifying statement about NEM not actually reaching Earth, but I didn't think it mattered because it was a technicality not relevant to my point. And because I didn't want to waste words like the words I'm now wasting explaining this.
 
Getting back to the exploration stuff for a moment, despite it being the party line of what Star Trek is allegedly about, the truth is very little of it is done. Even if we look at the TV shows for a moment, we see that the majority of TOS and TNG involved the Enterprise on Starfleet assignments, which either was the story for the episode or something went down while on assignment. DS9 was about day-to-day life on a space station, and Voyager was a ship trying to get home. Enterprise was the only series strictly about exploration and even that got changed by the third season.

Hell, eve take a look at some of the more popular TOS and TNG episodes that many feel define Trek, and very few of them are about exploration. TOS season 1 was already covered earlier in the thread, but of the fan favourites from season 2 there's:

Amok Time, in which Spock needs to return home.
Mirror, Mirror in which we see an evil version of the Enterprise and its crew.
The Doomsday Machine, basically an hour long space battle.
Journey to Babel in which the Enterprise is hosting a diplomatic conference which eventually becomes a bit of a murder mystery capped off with a space battle.
The Trouble with Tribbles in which the Enterprise is summoned to perform guard duty with the crew indulging in leave.

And then let's look at a handful of fan favourite TNG episodes:
Conspiracy: The Enterprise returns to Earth after Starfleet Command is infiltrated by alien parasites.
Q Who: When Picard pisses Q off the Enterprise is sent to a distant region of space. Okay, this is kind of exploration, though unintentional.
Yesterday's Enterprise: An alternate timeline where the Enterprise is a warship and the Federation is losing a war against the Klingons.
The Best of Both Worlds: The Federation is attacked by the Borg, Picard is abducted and assimilated, a fleet of Starships is destroyed.
Chain of Command: Part 1 is about a special ops mission into enemy territory, part 2 is about Picard being captured and tortured.

So, as we see not even Trek's more memorable episodes have much to do with exploring. Hell, in the case of TBOBW, it is almost always selected as being the best of TNG or even the best of Trek, and has nothing to do with exploration.
Exploration doesn't always mean physical geography or spatial coordinates. Some of these episodes are exploring human and alien psychology. And since we don't know any RL aliens, the Star Trek aliens are just a way of exploring another facet of human psychology.

There's nothing in "Chain of Command" that couldn't be transferred to almost any other genre or even time period yet still remain the same essential story.
:techman: Excellent post and point. We get too literal at times with things like "exploration".
 
Some sites are reporting about a possible shoot in Dubai and a possible cameo by William Shatner because he appeared at Middle East Film and Comic Con in Dubai.
I have neither read nor heard that Shatner said something he would make a cameo.
I think there is some misunderstanding.
I think so also- there is no way William Shatner will just make a cameo.
Personally I think the attempt to incorporate him into the next movie was one of the reasons the original script floundered. IIRC he wanted to appear as Prime Kirk and have a significant role in the film.
 
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