Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
"loose" instead of "lose"...
"loose" instead of "lose"...
Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculous?
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Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Oh, God, yes . . . .
And "rouge" instead of "rogue."
True story: When Tor published CONAN THE ROGUE many years ago, I kept a close eye on the page proofs, cover mechanicals, sales materials, etc.
We were not going to publish CONAN THE ROUGE under my watch, by Crom!
Oh, God, yes . . . .
And "rouge" instead of "rogue."
True story: When Tor published CONAN THE ROGUE many years ago, I kept a close eye on the page proofs, cover mechanicals, sales materials, etc.
We were not going to publish CONAN THE ROUGE under my watch, by Crom!
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
I bet there'll be a metric tonne of results if I punch that into the search over on DeviantArt
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
True confession: "Bram Stroker's Dracula" once got by me--and actually appeared on the cover of a Fred Saberhagen novel..
Yes, "Stroker." Sigh.
I bet there'll be a metric tonne of results if I punch that into the search over on DeviantArt
True confession: "Bram Stroker's Dracula" once got by me--and actually appeared on the cover of a Fred Saberhagen novel..
Yes, "Stroker." Sigh.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Being afraid of making mistakes has kept me much too long from joining this forum. English is not my first language. And I look up the spelling of words much too often. British vs American English almost makes me crazy. Finally I decided to risk making mistakes. Resulting in writing "Death of Princess" instead of "Death of Princes". I have to live with the consequences of being corrected/lectured. The faster people type the words the more likely are misspellings. It´s not always ignorance. I knew this book title well enough to spell it correctly, but didn´t check it again after writing it down. People should take their sweet time to check their texts. Or to check their auto-correction.
Constantly complaining about mistakes made by non-native speaker is not helpful.
Young people in Germany tend to type fast on their smartphones, don´t ever read any books and have a bad text comprehension and orthography. That´s what my former teacher confirms.
Back to topic, I would suggest. Enterprise is still the flagship. It needs to be representable. Nowadays they tend to return to keep the families of SF members off the ships, but the ships have to be battle worthy. Size matters, but isn´t everything.
Thinking back in history, Elizabeth I´s armada stood up to the Spanish armada because she had smaller ships that were more maneuverable.
If there are many orthographic mistakes in this post, I apologize.
Let me axe you a question.
Do you think that things like this are just a natural part of the evolution of the language, to be embraced, or do you think that - since we have the media and the understanding to do so if we really wanted to - we should make the language as static as possible?
I edit books for a living; I can't not wince at somebody using the wrong word when the right one is available. It's like nails scraping on a blackboard
Deliberate wordplay and coining new words and expressions are one thing. Carelessly using the wrong word (especially where homonyms are concerned) just causes confusion and interferes with the fundamental purpose of language: to communicate.
Case in point: Just the other day, I was puzzling over a sentence in a manuscript until I realized that, although the author had written "formally," he meant "formerly." Completely changed the meaning of the sentence!
And, sadly, this a mistake I've seen before . . ..
(Don't get me started on "discrete" versus "discreet" . . . )
Being afraid of making mistakes has kept me much too long from joining this forum. English is not my first language. And I look up the spelling of words much too often. British vs American English almost makes me crazy. Finally I decided to risk making mistakes. Resulting in writing "Death of Princess" instead of "Death of Princes". I have to live with the consequences of being corrected/lectured. The faster people type the words the more likely are misspellings. It´s not always ignorance. I knew this book title well enough to spell it correctly, but didn´t check it again after writing it down. People should take their sweet time to check their texts. Or to check their auto-correction.
Constantly complaining about mistakes made by non-native speaker is not helpful.
Young people in Germany tend to type fast on their smartphones, don´t ever read any books and have a bad text comprehension and orthography. That´s what my former teacher confirms.
Back to topic, I would suggest. Enterprise is still the flagship. It needs to be representable. Nowadays they tend to return to keep the families of SF members off the ships, but the ships have to be battle worthy. Size matters, but isn´t everything.
Thinking back in history, Elizabeth I´s armada stood up to the Spanish armada because she had smaller ships that were more maneuverable.
If there are many orthographic mistakes in this post, I apologize.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Kilana: Don't worry about making mistakes. You're right that we have to remember that not everyone on this board uses English as a first language.
Trust me, your English is fine.
EDIT: fixed an error noted below.
Kilana: Don't worry about making mistakes. You're right that we have to remember that not everyone on this board uses English as a first language.
Trust me, your English is fine.
EDIT: fixed an error noted below.
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Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
I can't imagine what else that title might have been used for.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Agreed, as it's not like us native English speakers don't make mistakes from time to time when it comes to spelling certain words.
Agreed, as it's not like us native English speakers don't make mistakes from time to time when it comes to spelling certain words.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
HOWEVER, it is important to distinguish between someone who is complaining and correcting you to feel like a self-important know-it-all, and someone who is simply trying to help you get it right for your own knowledge and benefit. Sometimes it can be hard to tell who is who in that regard. But I can tell you that if you ever see me correct someone, it is either because I'm just trying to be helpful, or it is because someone has been being one of those know-it-all grammar Nazi jerks to someone else, and they have now made a mistake of their own that I will pounce on to let them know how it feels.
I agree with the others, and will add that the primary purpose of language is communication, and you're doing that very well, so the rest is just dressing.
HOWEVER, it is important to distinguish between someone who is complaining and correcting you to feel like a self-important know-it-all, and someone who is simply trying to help you get it right for your own knowledge and benefit. Sometimes it can be hard to tell who is who in that regard. But I can tell you that if you ever see me correct someone, it is either because I'm just trying to be helpful, or it is because someone has been being one of those know-it-all grammar Nazi jerks to someone else, and they have now made a mistake of their own that I will pounce on to let them know how it feels.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Case in point about mistakes!
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
I figured he did it on purpose. It was illustrative.Case in point about mistakes!
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Thanks for your approval. Sometimes constructive criticism is necessary. Misspellings/errorors/mistakes happen. Even in the novels. I don´t take it personal.
5 mistakes per 1200 pages are normal and alright for me. 20 mistakes on 250 pages in a novel which cost me 12,80 Euro is simply too much. Folks have complained with the publisher (in this case the German publisher Cross Cult). It is important feedback by the fans who buy the novels. It is a small publisher with a low number of print runs and they have to price the novels according to page numbers.
Point is, they have improved their editing over the years (at least regarding the print versions, there are still complaints about ebooks). You can also find mistakes in S & S novels, no problem for me. It is sometimes confusing for a non-native speaker.
Back to the topic. I sometimes miss the Enterprise-D with the families aboard. The D crash landed, then there was the Dominion War, the Borg incursion (Destiny). It´s not as if the ships are getting bigger to the point of getting ridiculous.
I agree with the others, and will add that the primary purpose of language is communication, and you're doing that very well, so the rest is just dressing.
HOWEVER, it is important to distinguish between someone who is complaining and correcting you to feel like a self-important know-it-all, and someone who is simply trying to help you get it right for your own knowledge and benefit. Sometimes it can be hard to tell who is who in that regard. But I can tell you that if you ever see me correct someone, it is either because I'm just trying to be helpful, or it is because someone has been being one of those know-it-all grammar Nazi jerks to someone else, and they have now made a mistake of their own that I will pounce on to let them know how it feels.
Thanks for your approval. Sometimes constructive criticism is necessary. Misspellings/errorors/mistakes happen. Even in the novels. I don´t take it personal.
5 mistakes per 1200 pages are normal and alright for me. 20 mistakes on 250 pages in a novel which cost me 12,80 Euro is simply too much. Folks have complained with the publisher (in this case the German publisher Cross Cult). It is important feedback by the fans who buy the novels. It is a small publisher with a low number of print runs and they have to price the novels according to page numbers.
Point is, they have improved their editing over the years (at least regarding the print versions, there are still complaints about ebooks). You can also find mistakes in S & S novels, no problem for me. It is sometimes confusing for a non-native speaker.
Back to the topic. I sometimes miss the Enterprise-D with the families aboard. The D crash landed, then there was the Dominion War, the Borg incursion (Destiny). It´s not as if the ships are getting bigger to the point of getting ridiculous.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
It is a fundamental rule of the cosmos that any post indignantly pointing out a spelling error will, of course, contain a typo.
Groan.
Case in point about mistakes!
It is a fundamental rule of the cosmos that any post indignantly pointing out a spelling error will, of course, contain a typo.
Groan.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
It´s khanon instead of canon.
And khanibal instead of canibal.
And khanatic instead of fanatic.
Khantastic instead of fantastic.
Khansinn and not Wahnsinn.
Khantarina - my future daughter´s name.
Sorry, I couldn´t resist.
On an internet on which people routinely write "could of", "infinate", and "your wrong", are we really arguing over "meter/metre"?
Don't forget "cannon" instead of "canon" and "Kahn" instead of "Khan."
It´s khanon instead of canon.
And khanibal instead of canibal.
And khanatic instead of fanatic.
Khantastic instead of fantastic.
Khansinn and not Wahnsinn.
Khantarina - my future daughter´s name.
Sorry, I couldn´t resist.
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
That's why I don't single out individuals, but only gripe in general about common errors that I keep seeing over and over again. And I try to draw a distinction between a probable typo ("I love Mr. Spork!") and cases where there genuinely seems to be widespread confusion regarding what word means what. ("I'm counting on you to be discrete about this!")
Plus, if I personally corrected everyone who spelled Khan "Kahn" I'd never get any work done!
And, in that spirit, one more bane of my existence, which I blame entirely on Tim Allen: "Santa Clause" instead of "Santa Claus."
Folks, the title of that movie was a pun, playing off clause/Claus. That's not actually how you spell St. Nick's name. But ever since that damn movie came out, I keep seeing people spell it "Santa Clause" as though that's the correct spelling.
"Get Your Photo Taken with Santa Clause!"
Sometimes I despair . . . .
I agree with the others, and will add that the primary purpose of language is communication, and you're doing that very well, so the rest is just dressing.
HOWEVER, it is important to distinguish between someone who is complaining and correcting you to feel like a self-important know-it-all, and someone who is simply trying to help you get it right for your own knowledge and benefit. Sometimes it can be hard to tell who is who in that regard. But I can tell you that if you ever see me correct someone, it is either because I'm just trying to be helpful, or it is because someone has been being one of those know-it-all grammar Nazi jerks to someone else, and they have now made a mistake of their own that I will pounce on to let them know how it feels.
That's why I don't single out individuals, but only gripe in general about common errors that I keep seeing over and over again. And I try to draw a distinction between a probable typo ("I love Mr. Spork!") and cases where there genuinely seems to be widespread confusion regarding what word means what. ("I'm counting on you to be discrete about this!")
Plus, if I personally corrected everyone who spelled Khan "Kahn" I'd never get any work done!
And, in that spirit, one more bane of my existence, which I blame entirely on Tim Allen: "Santa Clause" instead of "Santa Claus."
Folks, the title of that movie was a pun, playing off clause/Claus. That's not actually how you spell St. Nick's name. But ever since that damn movie came out, I keep seeing people spell it "Santa Clause" as though that's the correct spelling.
"Get Your Photo Taken with Santa Clause!"
Sometimes I despair . . . .
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Shakespeare said the latter, but had nothing to do with Khan. If Khan is going to quote Shakespeare in one of the novels I don't want to know about it.
The thread is quite off-topic now, isn't it?
Shakespeare said the latter, but had nothing to do with Khan. If Khan is going to quote Shakespeare in one of the novels I don't want to know about it.
The thread is quite off-topic now, isn't it?
Re: Did the constant increase in size of each Enterprise get ridiculou
Well when you are typing at speed you can occasionally swap a letter or two in a word such as Kahn instead of Khan, I think the issue if the person keeps on making the same mistake.
I try not to judge other peoples spellings as I know I make my fair share of them, and at the end of the day even with the odd spelling mistake the intent can often be discerned.
Well when you are typing at speed you can occasionally swap a letter or two in a word such as Kahn instead of Khan, I think the issue if the person keeps on making the same mistake.
I try not to judge other peoples spellings as I know I make my fair share of them, and at the end of the day even with the odd spelling mistake the intent can often be discerned.
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Exactly. A single example can be a mere slip of the fingers. But I've seen posts--and even blogs and printed articles--in which Khan is spelled "Kahn" consistently throughout. Which indicates to me that much of the world really does think that's how it's spelled.
And, alas, these kind of errors tend to be self-perpetuating. People see "Kahn" or "cannon" or "rouge" everywhere and naturally assume that's the correct spelling.
I once read an on-line article on MY FAIR LADY which kept referring to Rex Harrison as "Rex Harrington." That was bad enough, but what was really scary was how every other post in the Comments thread automatically repeated the error:
"Rex Harrington was so great in that movie."
"Nobody will ever replace Rex Harrington."
"Rex Harrington should have won an Oscar."
Once one of these errors gets traction, they're harder to eradicate than weeds!
And don't get me started on Claude "Raines."
Exactly. A single example can be a mere slip of the fingers. But I've seen posts--and even blogs and printed articles--in which Khan is spelled "Kahn" consistently throughout. Which indicates to me that much of the world really does think that's how it's spelled.
And, alas, these kind of errors tend to be self-perpetuating. People see "Kahn" or "cannon" or "rouge" everywhere and naturally assume that's the correct spelling.
I once read an on-line article on MY FAIR LADY which kept referring to Rex Harrison as "Rex Harrington." That was bad enough, but what was really scary was how every other post in the Comments thread automatically repeated the error:
"Rex Harrington was so great in that movie."
"Nobody will ever replace Rex Harrington."
"Rex Harrington should have won an Oscar."
Once one of these errors gets traction, they're harder to eradicate than weeds!
And don't get me started on Claude "Raines."
