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Judge Orders Girl Vaccinated - Against Mom's Wishes

We do accept it, have and for legal reasons it's not likely to change in the U.S. Most actual requirements are school related, handled not nationally but by each state:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

Nor is every vaccination that might reduce the spread of disease required in schools here (I believe about half the state schools effectively require HPV). So it's useful to think about how to effectively encourage people to vaccinate.

Here's how it currently works in a lot of countries:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy
 
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Mr. Laser Beam said:
Thoughts on this? I think it was the right choice for the judge to make. The mother in this case clearly has the emotional maturity and scientific knowledge of a hamster.
Wrong... The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!
 
People don't have a right to become Typhoid Mary. If not for germ theory, life would be much nastier, brutish, and short. It's one of the big inflection points of homo sapiens right behind the agricultural and industrial revolutions. Those who don't want to play along should get off the bus.
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Thoughts on this? I think it was the right choice for the judge to make. The mother in this case clearly has the emotional maturity and scientific knowledge of a hamster.
Wrong... The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!

How about some links to that research you're talking about?
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Thoughts on this? I think it was the right choice for the judge to make. The mother in this case clearly has the emotional maturity and scientific knowledge of a hamster.
Wrong... The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!

Do you even know how vaccines work?
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Thoughts on this? I think it was the right choice for the judge to make. The mother in this case clearly has the emotional maturity and scientific knowledge of a hamster.
Wrong... The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!

For the love of Gort, watch this please, and don't respond until you have. I'll know:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SduMbjW2V9A[/yt]
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Thoughts on this? I think it was the right choice for the judge to make. The mother in this case clearly has the emotional maturity and scientific knowledge of a hamster.
Wrong... The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!

For the love of Gort, watch this please, and don't respond until you have. I'll know:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SduMbjW2V9A[/yt]

Love of Gort or love of Groot?
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Thoughts on this? I think it was the right choice for the judge to make. The mother in this case clearly has the emotional maturity and scientific knowledge of a hamster.
Wrong... The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!

Do you even know how vaccines work?

Who knows if they do but I know biology wasn't my strongest subject, but I seem to remember that generally a vaccine is made from a weaked or killed form of the disease you are being vaccinated against.

But if vaccines are so bad how come hundreds of millions if not billions aren't affected by auto-immune disease. And aren't auto-immune diseases where your own immune system attacks your own body?

But I'm sure he can back up his assertion up with links.

But who has ever said vaccines are 100% effective and have no side effects? If a vaccine has a side effect that effects 1 person in ten million do we say it's a bad vaccine?
 
The mother IS AWARE OF HOW BAD VACCINES ARE! (They compromise your immune system and leave you OPEN to auto-immune diseases,etc later in life)

I am suffering with one from all the garbage I used to have when I was younger before I knew what I was doing to myself.... After doing my own research,I know whats what!!

VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!! -- Its not meant to be filled with toxic crap!!

What a load of bullshit.
This is what the public health agency of Canada has to say about that:

Vaccines do not weaken the immune system

The vaccines that are currently recommended do not overload or weaken your immune system. Infants and children are exposed to many kinds of germs every day, through normal eating, drinking and playing. Scientists estimate the immune system can recognize and respond to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of different organisms.

The vaccines recommended for children and adults use only a small portion of the immune system's "memory".
Childhood vaccines are designed depending on the unique development of the infant immune system.

Vaccines offer immediate protection from common childhood illness and lay the foundation for lifelong immunity.
The recommended immunization schedule for infants in Canada is carefully timed to ensure that newborns and older babies get safe and effective protection from the diseases that are most likely to seriously harm them.
Vaccines strengthen the immune system

Vaccines strengthen the immune system to protect children and adults from specific diseases. Multiple vaccines make sure that your child is protected. Young children and babies show a safe and effective immune response. This is true even for newborn infants.

Infants need vaccines because they are more likely to get very sick from the diseases that vaccines can prevent, such as diphtheria, whooping cough and meningitis due to Haemophilus influenzae serotype b (Hib).

Dude, if you keep this anti-vaccine trolling up I'll hand out an infraction. We have zero tolerance for pseudoscientific bullshit in the science forum. Back up your posts with peer-reviewed studies or gtfo.

This is macloudt and Emilia when we see shit like this:
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VACCINES ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!!


WE HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM FOR A REASON!!

Damn straight!

The reason, basically, is to live long enough to spawn more copies of our DNA.

Which means that in purely biological terms we're pretty much done by the end of our second decade. In a civilized world, maybe our third.

You know, short term gain. ;)
 
Incidentally, study after recent study..some very large continue to prove no link with vaccines and autism. I've seen two in the last month!

http://io9.com/large-scale-study-co...utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

If I'm not mistaken the guy who made the original claims about the links between vaccines and autism through studies he had done pretty much fessed up that it was all bullshit. He falsified data to make the results fit his claims.

Here's the thing, if we just look at America alone, what's the percentage of people who've been vaccinated in the last, oh, 60-80 years? High percentages, right? 80s or 90s? Especially considering some vaccines are required by most public institutions.

How come the claimed problems vaccinations cause aren't an ongoing struggle we've faced during all of this time? How come autism isn't a huge, huge problem in all of our aging people of the Baby Boomer generation? Or the generation before them?

Why is it only *now* vaccines have started causing autism?

Why not centuries ago when vaccines were first starting to be used likely using more toxic additives in a time where they didn't care as much about Lead or Mercury poisoning or were even fully aware of problems related to those two elements?

People want to see the higher number of Autistic persons out there and want an answer and, somehow, have linked it to vaccines. When, really, they could just as well link it to decreased number of pirates in the world. Or the increased use of the Internet, or the frequency of Adam Sandler movies.

So why is Autism "more common"? Because we're better and identifying it. More-over we've greatly expanded what it means spanning from a person who's mostly and utterly locked into their own minds unable to make any communication with the outside world all the way to people completely able to live normal lives but just have some social oddities.

Autism means more than it did even 20 years ago.

It's like cancer. We can certainly make the argument there's more sources of cancer-causing things out there but we've also expanded what cancer means and gotten better at identifying it. Someone who died 100 years ago of "mysterious causes" was shrugged off. Today, that person likely will have been found to have had cancer. So dramatic increases in cancer is, again, more to expanding the diagnosis of it, better understanding of it, and better at finding it and less due to things like cell-phones and power lines.

And really, even if I were to accept that even 1 in 1,000 children get autism due to a vaccination I think that's more acceptable than 500 in 1,000 kids dying from a disease we ended decades ago.
 
If science gets to control people's lives and tell people what to do, then it becomes a religion.

And science is NOT supposed to be a religion.

Do what thou wilt at no harm to others shalt be the whole of the law.

Unfortunately in not providing her child with a vaccine she had the potential of harming her child.

So I'm torn on this issue.

Also keep in note, some people just have a very strong distrust of authority, because authority is abusive itself.

I don't know where to draw the line here.

I don't believe that children should be used against their parents or abused. but...

Ah well.
 
Just because the diseases which we vaccinate ourselves/children against don't have outbreaks often doesn't mean they have been eradicated. We can be lulled into a false sense of security about the dangers of them simply because outbreaks are uncommon these days.

And is it not perhaps more accurate to say some people have a strong distrust of those whose beliefs don't correlate with their own regardless if they are in a position of authority?
 
If science gets to control people's lives and tell people what to do, then it becomes a religion.

And science is NOT supposed to be a religion.

No. It's not even remotely the same.

Telling people to vaccinate for reasons that are easily proven by evidence and that protect the society is not the same as telling people what to do because virtual sky daddy wants it.

You get 10 points for the most original false equivalence of the week.
 
Do what thou wilt at no harm to others shalt be the whole of the law.

Unfortunately in not providing her child with a vaccine she had the potential of harming her child.

So I'm torn on this issue.

Don't be. It's not just her child she's harming. There are people that cannot be innoculated, often very young, old, weak and sick people. They are protected by 'herd immunity' - as the majority of the population are protected, the diseases do not flourish and are not in the general popultion as infection risks. Non immunised people are also protected because of this.

If people stop vaccinating by choice it allows diseases to spread and threaten people who cannot be vaccinated, who would otherwise be safe.
 
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