Ant-Man: Info, Pics, Rumors, Casting and Details till release

All I'm saying is that you play this same trailer 10 years ago, no Marvel logo.. and the opening estimates wouldn't get any higher than 30. Just like if any other director released No country for Old Men, unchanged, saved for different director being billed, and the film would be trashed, not praised. It's my opinion.

 

But it's not 10 years ago, and people have good reason to expect a Marvel film to do well, given the fact that they've made consistently good films over the last few years, that have received praise from both fans and critics alike.

So, again, what's your point?

 

I made my point. You miss it.

Oh and when the teaser came out and it was (at best luke warm) no one could have given it more than a 35 million opening unless they just went "It's Marvel it'rs Marvel." The fact that I feel the same is true after the (admittedly better) full trailer changes nothing

 

Brand recognition plays a part in attracting customers/an audience for any product.

Of course less people will flock to a release that has a lot of unknowns about it.

If it was a new independent studio, with a first time director and no recognizable actors, would you predict even 35 mil for the opening weekend just based on any trailer and a title?

I doubt it.

But the fact is, Marvel has a build in fanbase AND a great word of mouth going for it which is founded on generally well received movies.

There is no risk in going to see the movie to have a great entertainment experience.

Personally, I treat the whole franchise much like an ongoing TV show that I like. So of course I want to see the next outing no matter what. I don't even need to see the trailer or read other infos.

 

I didn't miss anything. I think your point is idiotic and juvenile.

Nobody cares what you think the opening would be 10 years ago, or even 10 months ago. It's completely irrelevant to the climate right now. All you are demonstrating is how Marvel have managed to take their own properties and make them more successful than other studios have been able to, in a relatively short space of time.

Ant Man may not be the most popular Marvel character, but people are willing to give it a go because they trust Marvel to deliver an entertaining film, because that's exactly what they've done with every other film in the MCU so far.

I really don't know why that grinds your gears so much.

 

I might be picking on Marvel.. but everyone is picking on me when all I have is a different, more cynical opinion. I'm not trying to make enemies I may or may not be trying to start a healthy debate, I'm just stating an opinion.

 

But the problem is that you state that opinion in other completely unrelated threads, whether it is solicited or not. That makes you look like you are obsessed with slating Marvel films. That's why people get on your back about it.

And half your points are either laboured or irrelevant anyway, which is why people find it difficult to seriously debate them.

I mean, come on; stating that Ant Man would be trashed 10 years ago is probably the most obvious and irrelevant statement you could have made. All it proves is that, at that point, Marvel had not generated the good will and word of mouth that they have now as a result of the films they have released, and is more of a reflection on the quality of superhero films back then, and how people percieved them, than it is of the genre now.

 

Good post! I'm actually avoiding the trailers for Age of Ultron and Ant Man just because I don't want to know anything ahead of time. I'm strange that way.

I got your point, but it's so small of a point that it's really hard to see or understand the point of it's existence.

I see it as: Yes they've made lots of great movies that have made lots of money and that's what they are basing AntMan's estimated success on, not the movie itself. ok.
And everyone else is saying, with varying degrees of civility, that you can't divorce the makers of the film from the film and judge it in a vacuum with no preconceived notion of how good it could be based on who is making it. That's simply not the way things are done. Maybe you'd like them to be but we don't always get what we want.

If Marvel had just shit out many turds in a row would you be so quick to decry them saying Ant Man will be another flop and how do they stay in business ahead of time because "we're not giving it a chance?"

I respect not jumping lockstep in with the crowd and many things that are popular I don't like and them being popular is an actual deterrent to me rather than a positive, and I wonder if that's not what you're feeling.

I'm just happy that popularity makes it possible for more movies that I may like to get made. I've enjoyed lots of movies that are now considered "cult classics" and wished they could have done better, but that doesn't mean I like them less, but it does mean there are less of them simply because some similar movie I might have like was not greenlighted to make some more romcoms or other movies I wouldn't want to see.

And if the next Marvel is a romcom, I might just skip it, even if it is Marvel. But, then I'm trusting Marvel not to do that to me.

By the way, FSM, I don't mind so much your opinion, that I disagree with, but you do seem to be a broken record. I'm not attacking or mocking you, but are you trying to be Cassandra? Constantly predicting a disaster no one wants to hear? Maybe if one flops, which statistically is a safe bet, then you can be the one who said it all along?

Maybe you like Superman better than Marvel and felt upset at the general disappointment of MOS even though it made a lot of money it wasn't as much as a "Superman Movie" should have made and here comes a raccoon and a tree and they kick ass? I could see how that would set off someone. But your crusade to make your one single opinion know by all that can read the forum is becoming tedious for everyone else. Maybe start a seperate thread called FSM's rant against Marvel and keep it in there? And I say this as someone who has tried to see your point in the past rather than just tell you shut up already.

 

The problem would not be them making a Rom-Com.. the problem would be them making a RomCom but having the last act be people flying around kung fu fighting on giant aircraft carriers that fly through the sky or alien spacecrafts that are trying to land on earth or some such thing.

Oh, Marvel is so diverse.. they made a rom-com!

 

I think if Romcoms ended that way I might not hate them so much.


Why do I feel like I'm Inigo and you're Vizzini?

Do you even know what you are saying means?

 

Soooo... You want Marvel to make a movie that has nothing to do with superheros and other Marvel things?

 

It's not too hard to see what my point was but in case you missed it:

People call CA:TWS a political thriller. It wasn't. Not even close. And with the third act, they obviously wanted to play it safe for the teenage fanboys who they feared might get bored with a story that had actual teeth and they ended it with Avengers 1.5 .. flying aircraft carriers and a video game ending.

 

We're not debating with you because we missed your point. We're debating with you because we don't agree with your point and think it has no merit.

Sorry if you missed that.

 

Sure, Marvel has built up a reputation to where people will now go see a Superhero movie about a character they know nothing about, simply because it's a Marvel movie.

But, they aren't going to be fooled into enjoying it, just because it's a Marvel movie, they'll only enjoy it, if it's actually enjoyable to them. If it's enjoyable to them, they'll tell their friends and it will get good word of mouth. If they don't enjoy it, they'll tell their friends and family that, as well, and it will get bad word of mouth.

 

I'd go see an MCU Millie the Model.

 

i'm not sure what the complaint is. you are aware these films are based on comic books? books that often take on diverse genres. Captain America comics often have arcs involving political intrigue, black ops and government corruption. they also do 'crazy' things like sent Cap to another dimension filled with monsters. such stories often end with an over the top battle...or a fist fight between characters.

the Guardians of the Galaxy comic is a sci fi, action/adventure, comedy. the film was just that. so i'm not sure what you want from a Marvel film. if you want a straight up political thriller you'd best stick with Tom Clancy.

 

Furious 7 did 140 million in an opening weekend in April. I don't think AM will have broad enough appeal to quite get that but I see it flirting with 75/80.

 

Every single movie company with a track record of success and fanbase will show their logo during a trailer. Marvel does it, Pixar does it, it says to the audience "hey you loved our other movies, here's another one". Marvel is a proven brand now, they would be insane not to market it.

 

Complaining that a Superhero movies ends with a big, crazy, over the top action scene is like complaining that a Star Wars movie has spaceship battles and/or lightsaber duels in it.