The Flash - Season 1
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Has there been any word on whether or not Cavanaugh is supposed to return next season? If not and they just zap Eobard off to futures unknown and move on in the finale/premier, I hope they do like Mercury/STAR merger type of thing and bring Pays in full time.
So glad I could provide some entertainment.
One other thing - I just noticed the British lady who was also on the 1990s Flash (Amanda Pays) plays the same character, Dr. Tina McGee? Interesting.
One other thing - I just noticed the British lady who was also on the 1990s Flash (Amanda Pays) plays the same character, Dr. Tina McGee? Interesting.
I cringed at the "It's a bird..." line, to be honest.
Really happy to see Emily Kinney again, but a bit sad one of her first post-Walking Dead was so relatively small (I don't watch Forever, but I see she had a guest role on that show, as well. Hopefully it was able to spotlight her a bit more). It was good to see her go "evil," though, a stark comparison to Beth.
My favorite part of the episode is the Ray/Cisco bromance. The two of them are hilarious!
Glad that they are including Cisco and Caitlyn. My fanboy theory here is that Caitlyn ends up siding with Wells, causing her to split from Team-Flash. This could start her on her way to becoming Killer Frost.
Really happy to see Emily Kinney again, but a bit sad one of her first post-Walking Dead was so relatively small (I don't watch Forever, but I see she had a guest role on that show, as well. Hopefully it was able to spotlight her a bit more). It was good to see her go "evil," though, a stark comparison to Beth.
My favorite part of the episode is the Ray/Cisco bromance. The two of them are hilarious!
Glad that they are including Cisco and Caitlyn. My fanboy theory here is that Caitlyn ends up siding with Wells, causing her to split from Team-Flash. This could start her on her way to becoming Killer Frost.
I loved how they have implied that in the original timeline Tina McGee worked at Star Labs. We learned that her and the real Wells were very close. His plan was for Star Labs to be open to other scientists. Plus Tina always worked for Star Labs not just on the earlier show but in the comics. But obviously Thawne wanted to keep distance from Wells' friends when he took his place.
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"Is that a bird?" "It's a plane." They went there! 
"Yes, boys and girls, we have Superman! Except he's the Atom."
And Brie Larvin was really committed to the whole supervillain themed-pun monologuing, wasn't she? "Buzz myself in," "the sting of betrayal," etc.
I was wondering about that. It's after Ollie got the offer to join the League, but it definitely seems to be set before last week, given the state of Felicity & Ray's relationship. They were really good at keeping the shows in sync before, but now it seems to have slipped a little.
It would hardly be the first time-loop or altered-timeline story in which characters are given the plot-convenient ability to remember things from the "original" version of the timeline. See ST:TNG's "Cause and Effect," for example.
Which ignores the fact I already pointed out to you months ago (and seriously, you're devoting way too much of your life to something as unimportant as this) -- that the term originated in the late 1890s, over 40 years before the character of Jimmy Olsen was created.
Also, there are still plenty of current uses of the phrase "cub reporter" among laypeople -- a Google search turns up the name used by various school newsletters and blogs, some Chicago Cubs blogs and pages, a journalism-jobs blog, a couple of very recent articles (one from yesterday!) about schoolchildren acting as reporters, and so on. So even if the journalism professionals you surveyed no longer use the term, it still has plenty of pop-culture currency having nothing to do with Jimmy Olsen. After all, laypeople and professionals don't always use the same terminology.
Maybe, but it still overlooks the question of whether Iris gets a vote. At least Eddie wants to treat Iris like an adult and an equal.
But there has to come a point when you trust her to know what's best for her -- when you respect her as an adult entitled to make her own choices. It's not about you, it's not about the boyfriend -- it's her life, so it's unconscionable to talk as though she's not even a factor in the decision-making process. Eddie is right to think that he and Iris should be partners and equals, that she should be included in the decisions about her own life.
"Yes, boys and girls, we have Superman! Except he's the Atom."And Brie Larvin was really committed to the whole supervillain themed-pun monologuing, wasn't she? "Buzz myself in," "the sting of betrayal," etc.
I was wondering about that. It's after Ollie got the offer to join the League, but it definitely seems to be set before last week, given the state of Felicity & Ray's relationship. They were really good at keeping the shows in sync before, but now it seems to have slipped a little.
It would hardly be the first time-loop or altered-timeline story in which characters are given the plot-convenient ability to remember things from the "original" version of the timeline. See ST:TNG's "Cause and Effect," for example.
Which ignores the fact I already pointed out to you months ago (and seriously, you're devoting way too much of your life to something as unimportant as this) -- that the term originated in the late 1890s, over 40 years before the character of Jimmy Olsen was created.
Also, there are still plenty of current uses of the phrase "cub reporter" among laypeople -- a Google search turns up the name used by various school newsletters and blogs, some Chicago Cubs blogs and pages, a journalism-jobs blog, a couple of very recent articles (one from yesterday!) about schoolchildren acting as reporters, and so on. So even if the journalism professionals you surveyed no longer use the term, it still has plenty of pop-culture currency having nothing to do with Jimmy Olsen. After all, laypeople and professionals don't always use the same terminology.
Maybe, but it still overlooks the question of whether Iris gets a vote. At least Eddie wants to treat Iris like an adult and an equal.
But there has to come a point when you trust her to know what's best for her -- when you respect her as an adult entitled to make her own choices. It's not about you, it's not about the boyfriend -- it's her life, so it's unconscionable to talk as though she's not even a factor in the decision-making process. Eddie is right to think that he and Iris should be partners and equals, that she should be included in the decisions about her own life.
And, clearly, this will be resolved in the finale. The current situation is certainly unfair to Iris, but it is also a commonplace attitude in society, so I'm not really "up in arms" about it...yet. If it persists over the run of the show, well that's different. So far, though, the behaviours of all concerned are consistent with how many people behave--so it's fine from that perspective. It will be resolved--the best way, IMO, would be for Eddie to tell her (and take the flack from Joe and Barry) and have Iris forgive him first (though not right away). But then, I'm no screenwriter.
This was the first episode that really annoyed me.
I'm sick of the whole "Don't tell Iris" storyline and am hating Joe as a result. It's not the 19th century...Joe doesn't get to decide what's best for his adult daughter. This storyline has brought out the very worst in Joe. Barry isn't much better either with his sociopathic lies. Eddie needs to man up on this one but as someone else pointed out, it's not his place to tell Iris about Barry's secret. What he should tell Iris if she wants to know why he can't talk, then she should ask her father and Barry.
The funny thing is is that Joe and Barry have probably done more to threaten the lives of those they claim to love with how loose they've been with Barry's secret identity. You have Joe calling Barry by his real name in the presence on criminals (or when the police captain is near by). Barry doesn't even seem to make an effort anymore, often taking off his mask and not bothering to distort his voice. Or basically unmasking in front of the metahumans they lock up so he can taunt them and spike the football in front of their faces. It's no wonder everyone close to him (EXCEPT Iris) and so many crminals know his identity.
Felicity isn't helping in that regard. I know that Ray can be trusted (as much as a liar and stalker like Ray can be trusted) but she has no right to reveal Barry's secret identity without his permission. But again, Barry seems content with being recklessly arrogant in regards to his secret identity so....
The writing for Iris and Caitlin's characters has been a bane on this show. I like both actressess a lot but they have been let down by writing that doesn't do much for either character. One of the things The Flash could learn from Daredevil is how to write strong female characters who have their own agency.
I'm glad at least Barry read Cisco and Caitlin in about Wells but it just reminds me that the Team Flash dynamic that I loved so much has been destroyed. I don't know what will happen next year, whether the real Harrison Wells will somehow return. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing Amanda Pays Tina McGee fill the Harrison Wells slot.
Ray was awkwardly shoved into this show but I liked his interaction with Cisco.
Here's hoping things come together next week.
I'm sick of the whole "Don't tell Iris" storyline and am hating Joe as a result. It's not the 19th century...Joe doesn't get to decide what's best for his adult daughter. This storyline has brought out the very worst in Joe. Barry isn't much better either with his sociopathic lies. Eddie needs to man up on this one but as someone else pointed out, it's not his place to tell Iris about Barry's secret. What he should tell Iris if she wants to know why he can't talk, then she should ask her father and Barry.
The funny thing is is that Joe and Barry have probably done more to threaten the lives of those they claim to love with how loose they've been with Barry's secret identity. You have Joe calling Barry by his real name in the presence on criminals (or when the police captain is near by). Barry doesn't even seem to make an effort anymore, often taking off his mask and not bothering to distort his voice. Or basically unmasking in front of the metahumans they lock up so he can taunt them and spike the football in front of their faces. It's no wonder everyone close to him (EXCEPT Iris) and so many crminals know his identity.
Felicity isn't helping in that regard. I know that Ray can be trusted (as much as a liar and stalker like Ray can be trusted) but she has no right to reveal Barry's secret identity without his permission. But again, Barry seems content with being recklessly arrogant in regards to his secret identity so....
The writing for Iris and Caitlin's characters has been a bane on this show. I like both actressess a lot but they have been let down by writing that doesn't do much for either character. One of the things The Flash could learn from Daredevil is how to write strong female characters who have their own agency.
I'm glad at least Barry read Cisco and Caitlin in about Wells but it just reminds me that the Team Flash dynamic that I loved so much has been destroyed. I don't know what will happen next year, whether the real Harrison Wells will somehow return. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing Amanda Pays Tina McGee fill the Harrison Wells slot.
Ray was awkwardly shoved into this show but I liked his interaction with Cisco.
Here's hoping things come together next week.
Yes, thank you. Exactly what I've been saying.
In Barry's defense, he's only kept Iris in the dark because of his promise to Joe. He would've told Iris if Joe hadn't made him promise otherwise. It's misplaced loyalty, not sociopathy. And ultimately Joe is the one whose mistaken overprotectiveness is responsible for all this.
Truthfully, although I'm on Iris's side in this on the whole, I found her reaction a little unreasonable this time around. Is it so inconceivable that a cop may occasionally have secrets in his work? I'd think there'd be a lot of confidential matters that a homicide detective would have to deal with from time to time. So while I do think she's being unfairly kept in the dark about Barry/the Flash, I also can't really sympathize with her insistence that Eddie should have no secrets of any kind from her.
I wouldn't go that far -- for instance, when he locked up the Weather Wizard after the time jump, he waited until he was facing away from the closing hatch to the Pipeline before he took his mask off.
But it did bother me that they seemed so totally unconcerned here when they realized that Brie's bees had cameras and that she could presumably see all their faces, including Barry's, at that very moment.
I've been expecting that from the moment they introduced her. The fact that they brought her back here, and established her as a close associate of the real Harrison Wells, only reinforces that expectation.
I think Ray fits into this show better than he fits into Arrow. He's more in the "Gee whiz, this superhero stuff is cool, let's have fun with it and make up awesome nicknames!" camp than the "I'm so dark and conflicted and I need to deal with my guilt and angst by injuring criminals" camp.
Yeah, I really felt for Eddie in this one, squeezed as he is between conflicting interests. Kudos to him for voicing what we've all been saying, that Iris seems to be the only one who doesn't know!
Yeah, Eddie seems to have become the voice of the fans' complaints about some of the characters' decisions, which has done a lot to make him a more sympathetic character. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts questioning the morality of STAR Labs imprisoning metahumans without due process.
While I do agree that it's unfair that Iris is literally the only main character not to know Barry's secret, I don't really have a problem with Barry and Joe keeping it from her. While isn't fair to her, it makes perfect sense that her father and the guy who's been in love with her since they were kids would try their best to protect her.
It was nice to see them actually address all of this in the show, and it makes me think we might actually see her learning by the end of the season.
I loved Ray and Felicity's visit. It makes perfect sense that Ray and Cisco would bond like that. I'm not quite sure what to make of Cisco suddenly remembering stuff from the other timeline. Hopefully they'll give us a real explanation and not rush over it.
The villain of the week story was OK. It was nice to see Tina McGee again, and I did like Emily Kinney, although it would have been nice if we got a bit more with here.
It was nice to see them actually address all of this in the show, and it makes me think we might actually see her learning by the end of the season.
I loved Ray and Felicity's visit. It makes perfect sense that Ray and Cisco would bond like that. I'm not quite sure what to make of Cisco suddenly remembering stuff from the other timeline. Hopefully they'll give us a real explanation and not rush over it.
The villain of the week story was OK. It was nice to see Tina McGee again, and I did like Emily Kinney, although it would have been nice if we got a bit more with here.
Wait... So Ray's kryptonite is... Water. Really?
Lucky for him nobody told that to Roy!
Lucky for him nobody told that to Roy!
Still, he should've seen the signs.
But it would be better if they respected her. It's infantilizing to treat her as some fragile china doll who needs to be sheltered from reality. I understand their point of view, but the fundamental problem here is that it isn't just the men's points of view that matter. When it comes to decisions about Iris's life, it should be Iris's point of view that gets first consideration. So much sexism in the world comes from men assuming that they need to protect women and make decisions on their behalf rather than just accepting that they're independent adults who can protect themselves. It doesn't matter that they mean well; what matters is the impact it has on women's lives.
Him having a problem with it is the saving grace that keeps it from being like umpteen other shows with similar scenarios.
And I'm saying that their perspective is not the one that needs to be defended. That if you only talk about the men's perspective and say nothing about the woman's perspective, then you're guilty of the same problem that's perpetuated sexism for so long, the failure to include women's point of view in the discussion. Literally, in this case.
