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Pegg updates on script

There's only so much a bad script can be elevated by virtue of a good director. Garbage-in-garbage-out.

Nope. The director can re-write every single word and punctuation mark. There literally is "no limit" to how much a "bad script" can be "elevated by...a good director". That a director chooses to keep aspects of a script you might find of poor quality is a reflection of his choices, not of an inherent inability to make further alterations (writer's strikes where directors are members of the SGA are perhaps the only exceptions--admittedly real, but rare enough).
 
Writers can write the most brilliant, character-driven and tightly plotted script of all time and it can still turn out a mess--the director (and, in a number of cases, the studio) can and will re-write as desired, regardless of the initial quality of the script. Writers for film are rather powerless in that regard.

Conversely, a script can be all kinds of messy before a director re-shapes it into something far more palatable (if memory serves, something like this happened on Casablanca, though it could well be another film from that era).

In the end, blaming the writer for how a story turns out in a film is not usually fair (unless the writer is also the director). A screenwriter is far less responsible for the final outcome of a film than a novelist is for a novel (or a non-fiction writer is for whatever book she's writing).

Joss Whedon would likely agree.
He wrote the story for Alien Ressurection, and blames the production crew for making the story less than what it supposedly was. I think he felt the same way about the movie of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. (which, if I recall correctly, he also directed.....update....I was wrong, he only wrote it).

I don't know for sure. Whedon had some great stuff with BvTS the series, and with the all too short lived Firefly, but I don't know if A:R and movie BvTS are a result of corporate and production meddling, or if they were really his faults as a writer.

Then again, The Avengers did kick ass! :)
 
Writers can write the most brilliant, character-driven and tightly plotted script of all time and it can still turn out a mess--the director (and, in a number of cases, the studio) can and will re-write as desired, regardless of the initial quality of the script. Writers for film are rather powerless in that regard.

Conversely, a script can be all kinds of messy before a director re-shapes it into something far more palatable (if memory serves, something like this happened on Casablanca, though it could well be another film from that era).

In the end, blaming the writer for how a story turns out in a film is not usually fair (unless the writer is also the director). A screenwriter is far less responsible for the final outcome of a film than a novelist is for a novel (or a non-fiction writer is for whatever book she's writing).

Joss Whedon would likely agree.
He wrote the story for Alien Ressurection, and blames the production crew for making the story less than what it supposedly was. I think he felt the same way about the movie of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. (which, if I recall correctly, he also directed.....update....I was wrong, he only wrote it).

I don't know for sure. Whedon had some great stuff with BvTS the series, and with the all too short lived Firefly, but I don't know if A:R and movie BvTS are a result of corporate and production meddling, or if they were really his faults as a writer.

Then again, The Avengers did kick ass! :)

I feel like it's the opposite of Avengers. I loved the movie, had a blast, watched it twice in the theaters, but some of the dialogue was pretty atrocious. Yet, good direction (and probably some last second script changes by Whedon) helped cover all that up.

Yes, I'm well aware that Whedon wrote AND directed that movie, but at least he could keep himself in check one way or another! :)
 
What is your point?
A sarcastic display that I can be contrary without reason or rationale and add nothing to a discussion except disagreement (or agreement). Or I can be contrary with something of substance to support it. It's easy to play the Kindergarten game of "yes you are, no I'm not." I'm sure most everyone here would be eager to agree that just because I say something is true, or false, does not make it so just on my say-so without a convincing effort of substance.
 
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Orci started posting over trekmovie again and he comfirmed that his script had a role for Shatner and Nimoy but tptb didn't like it


250. Boborci - April 3, 2015 247. I had a role for S and and N but my own fault that I could not persuade the PTB to jump. Will regret my failure until I die.

291. SkiesSeven - April 3, 2015
@ boborci
It could be that you were turned down because of your views on 9/11 and other subjects. Don’t discount the possibility that someone might have something personal against you at Paramount simply because of the views you’ve expressed here.
311. boborci - April 4, 2015
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possibly
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All respect to Orci, but surely Orci's Shatner/Nimoy script would have faced disaster owing to the timing of filming (originally planned for April) and Nimoy's passing?
 
Orci implied that his script was turned down because someone might have something personal against him at Paramount.
But I think they really really hated his script.
 
I still hope Shatner gets his shot in the nu films... if possible

If everything goes according to plan, word will leak that he is still in, there will be lots of buzz, but the role won't be significant enough and there won't be enough money offered anyway, but it will get Shatner enough attention that his next other starring project will get the funding he wants. The man will live forever.
 
And this is from Orci twitter

https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/584399222562099200

Shade? :guffaw: his dog is so cute, she looks like Archer's beagle


Orci implied that his script was turned down because someone might have something personal against him at Paramount.
But I think they really really hated his script.

If they had something against him they wouldn't approve his other scripts either
Still, I hope he didn't give up just because they didn't want shatner and nimoy in it that would be stupid. Honestly, I doubt Nimoy would have been available because he felt so bad the last months :(



Anyway I hope that him posting again doesn't mean he's out as a producer too and thus now free to criticize the new team if he wants
 
Giving creative control to an actor?? :wtf:

This is going to be the ST3:TSFS of the AbramsVerse.

Kor
 
Giving creative control to an actor?? :wtf:

This is going to be the ST3:TSFS of the AbramsVerse.

Kor

Better TSFS than TFF or Nemesis, which also had creative control by their respective actor.

Unless they want to repeat TVH, and with a comedian like Pegg, I say go for it!
 
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