• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Will Trekkies die out?

Even if you like the new movies, you're seriously going to argue they feel the same?
You're right. What was I thinking?

I mean one has space ships, sexy green aliens, laser guns, Kirk Judo, over-the-top, larger than life bad guys, and naïve, sophomoric philosophic mumbo-jumbo.

And so does the other one.

Yes, they are aesthetically similar.

One is a bang bang action movie where you win by shooting the enemy and the other one is a philosophical adventure show where you win by outsmarting or reasoning with the enemy.

Classic Kirk convinces an enemy not to kill him by lying about Corbomite. He talks machines into destroying themselves. He talks disembodied brains into a gamble he knows he can win.

NuKirk beams in and shoots people. A lot.

Neither is inherently superior, but they don't please the same fanbase.
 
Doubtful.

I only started watching Trek in 2012, but I was hooked within a few episodes. It was something I could relate to. Each episode seemed to contain a little nugget of wisdom that was worth hearing. It also told a good story.

I laughed when Scotty punched Korax. I was worried when Chekov was killed by the Earps. I was in awe of Balok's ship, the Fesarius.

Then I watched The Animated Series, The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Enterprise and the movies. I was met with more amazing stories of human struggle and ingenuity.

So, no, I don't think Trekkies will die out. If someone like me can pick up Trek and then watch from the first episode of the original series to the most recent reboot movie in under three years, that really speaks to the quality of the series, and to its ability to spread rapidly.

I'm not even the only Trekkie I know. I have at least five friends who are avid Trek fans as well.

If each of us even mention Trek then we're spreading the word. If the word is being spread, people are giving it a chance. If people are giving it a chance then they might become Trekkies.

It's the circle of Trek.
 
I hope we will still get one more great tv series or two. If they die out it's not the end of the world. Trek had a great run.
 
There are still people who worship Elvis Presley, so Star Trek probably has a few years left.

Good point. But in keeping with the OP, I worry that TOS fans will age out and depart this life, and the following generations won't get into it in any numbers.

Still, even if that happens, the original 79 episodes will have had an amazing run. What's really bad is if fandom dies off for the entire franchise of films and spinoff series. And that will take a lot longer.
 
Ahhh the age of the original poster makes sense.

Being born in the mid 1980s, I saw Star Trek in a Golden Renaissance in the 1990s where we had TNG, DS9, VOY, running in tandem at times and multiple movies. I also really liked Enterprise and I think it has picked up more fans in syndication.

My father was of the generation that watched the TOS show in prime time and he is really the one who introduced Star Trek to me. So Star Trek has many fans across many generations.

Star Wars, while entertaining, has always felt like Dungeons, Wizards, and Dragons more than actual Sci-Fi. It has a really strong fantasy element to it. I have to agree with Neil Tyson DeGrasse in that I feel Star Trek tries to root itself in scientific principles, even if they're only theoretical.
 
There are still people who worship Elvis Presley, so Star Trek probably has a few years left.

Good point. But in keeping with the OP, I worry that TOS fans will age out and depart this life, and the following generations won't get into it in any numbers.

Still, even if that happens, the original 79 episodes will have had an amazing run. What's really bad is if fandom dies off for the entire franchise of films and spinoff series. And that will take a lot longer.
If not necessary fans, movie enthusiasts will look at them as interesting relics that can be rewatched.
 
Great question. Something I have thought about myself.
I look at Laurel and Hardy movies, and love them, but realize that very few in this generation know who those guys were. For the most part, they will be forgotten.

I think it is up to us really, up to our generation to pass it on. We must continue to make comments, videos, art, music, and stories that revolve around it.

The internet age is unprecedented in human history, which I think may help the process. The real reason I think it should be kept alive because most of us want that utopian future where the betterment of mankind (as a collective) is the most important thing, not money. Where everyone is equal and humanity is living an amazing adventure of exploration and discovery.

It is like a myth that must be kept alive until we achieve its ends.

:)Spockboy
 
Great question. Something I have thought about myself.
I look at Laurel and Hardy movies, and love them, but realize that very few in this generation know who those guys were. For the most part, they will be forgotten.

I think it is up to us really, up to our generation to pass it on. We must continue to make comments, videos, art, music, and stories that revolve around it.

The internet age is unprecedented in human history, which I think may help the process. The real reason I think it should be kept alive because most of us want that utopian future where the betterment of mankind (as a collective) is the most important thing, not money. Where everyone is equal and humanity is living an amazing adventure of exploration and discovery.

It is like a myth that must be kept alive until we achieve its ends.

:)Spockboy
People are not really equal. Different positions have different prestige within the Federation.
 
Great question. Something I have thought about myself.
I look at Laurel and Hardy movies, and love them, but realize that very few in this generation know who those guys were. For the most part, they will be forgotten.

I think it is up to us really, up to our generation to pass it on. We must continue to make comments, videos, art, music, and stories that revolve around it.

The internet age is unprecedented in human history, which I think may help the process. The real reason I think it should be kept alive because most of us want that utopian future where the betterment of mankind (as a collective) is the most important thing, not money. Where everyone is equal and humanity is living an amazing adventure of exploration and discovery.

It is like a myth that must be kept alive until we achieve its ends.

:)Spockboy
People are not really equal. Different positions have different prestige within the Federation.

LOL. Sorry but I thought Star Trek's manifesto of equality of races and genders (even other species) was be pretty obvious to a Trek fan.

Perhaps not.

Hierarchies will always exist in any society. Even in a meritocracy. That is why Federation Starships have both Captains and ensigns.

:) LLAP
 
Of course they (we) will go almost extinct. And that's ok. The vast majority of my HS students have never seen an ep. Some saw the recent movies that came and went like many others. Just like one of the Thors or Avengers. Ephemera.

Somebody mentions Shakespeare upthread and how fine he's doing. Um. My students read one play (Macbeth - arguably the most accessible) and hate it. One girl called it gibberish. I don't think he's doing fine. More 'n half of Americans don't read a book, so I don't think ol' Will's doing that great.

Quite frankly, re. Trek: let it go. Enjoy your thing. Life and culture moves on, right?

And no, the new movies don't "feel" like TOS. In some fashion they might embody an ethos of fun/adventure as TOS did. But "feel"? Maybe we all define "feel" very differently. The fan films, however, do "feel" like the old: pacing, humanity, music, dialog, etc. But that is a point off topic.

Unless a TV show becomes huge for a number of years like I don't think one can do in this splintered age, then there will be few Trekkies in the future. Or now, really. Just like there are few Laurel and Hardy buffs or jazz fans (another love of mine). Let it be. New wine for new wineskins. It's arrogant really to want 2015 to embrace what I/we happened to in the 70s or 90s.

Peace to you all.
 
In the meantime, why not try out some of the fan films? Some of them are excellent at recreating the look and feel of the actual TV series, and they have good, entertaining stories.

Two of them are good, the rest are okay, but they should not be a complete replacement for the official productions that are on the big screen now.
 
Hopefully so.

I mean, every generation has their thing. We tend to look back on past generations as if they had no life because they had no cell phone or Lady Gaga, but they had a culture and a life too, and I guarantee they weren't spending much of their life worrying that we were missing out on the cultural icon of Shakespeare, or the richness of the renaissance. Actually, I find the idea of Star Trek (in its current form, anyway) being a phenomenon 100 years from now a bit concerning. That would almost imply that creativity had stagnated. The premise of tomorrow carries with it the possibility of something new, something different, or something more refined. If trekkies exist 200 years from now, let's hope they've got a firm grasp upon the ideas of peace, equality, justice, creative problem-solving, exploration, adventure and other noble concepts instilled by Roddenberry's creation. Let future generations have their thing. This is ours.

And if you still find yourself wishing your kids will carry on the legacy of Trek, don't shove it down their throats by forcing them to watch it. Enjoy it with them, along with a myriad of other life activities, and you will find they will love Trek for what it represents to them: Special memories of you. And that's how Trek will carry on.
 
And if you still find yourself wishing your kids will carry on the legacy of Trek, don't shove it down their throats by forcing them to watch it. Enjoy it with them, along with a myriad of other life activities, and you will find they will love Trek for what it represents to them: Special memories of you. And that's how Trek will carry on.

Truth!
 
Great question. Something I have thought about myself.
I look at Laurel and Hardy movies, and love them, but realize that very few in this generation know who those guys were. For the most part, they will be forgotten.

I think it is up to us really, up to our generation to pass it on. We must continue to make comments, videos, art, music, and stories that revolve around it.

The internet age is unprecedented in human history, which I think may help the process. The real reason I think it should be kept alive because most of us want that utopian future where the betterment of mankind (as a collective) is the most important thing, not money. Where everyone is equal and humanity is living an amazing adventure of exploration and discovery.

It is like a myth that must be kept alive until we achieve its ends.

:)Spockboy
The problem with the bolded part is that the only person in the whole Federation who thinks nobody cares about money is Jean-Luc Picard.

Beverly didn't get her bolt of cloth for free. Ro had to remind Picard that if he was pretending to pick up a prostitute, he had to be seen to pay her. The economy of DS9 ran on gold-pressed latinum. The economy of Voyager ran on the barter system (when trading with various planets and alien ships), replicator rations, and holodeck time. I'm fairly sure that Robert Picard and Ben Sisko's father aren't running the winery and restaurant just for fun - they need to make a profit or they'd go out of business.

And Kirk telling Gillian that they don't use money in the 23rd century? What he actually meant was that they don't use cash. He didn't offer to pay for the pizza for several reasons: 1. Gillian was the one who invited him, so it was her duty to pay; 2. Kirk only got $100 for his glasses, which he divvied up among the crew. He wouldn't have had enough to pay for the pizza anyway; 3. As a non-cash-carrying member of Starfleet, Kirk would have been accustomed to an electronic banking system where a voiceprint or some other identifier would have been all that was necessary to facilitate a transfer of funds. Obviously he wouldn't have had access to that 300 years in the past.

Even now, many people are so used to debit and credit cards that they rarely carry much cash. Even the need to keep a few coins on hand for a pay phone meets with upraised eyebrows, because the pay phone just doesn't exist the way it used to, at least around here. The coffee shop where I had lunch yesterday only requires that the bill be at least $3.00 to accept debit/credit card payments.

Of course they (we) will go almost extinct. And that's ok. The vast majority of my HS students have never seen an ep. Some saw the recent movies that came and went like many others. Just like one of the Thors or Avengers. Ephemera.

Somebody mentions Shakespeare upthread and how fine he's doing. Um. My students read one play (Macbeth - arguably the most accessible) and hate it. One girl called it gibberish. I don't think he's doing fine. More 'n half of Americans don't read a book, so I don't think ol' Will's doing that great.
He's doing just fine in places where people do read. :vulcan:

Macbeth is the "most accessible" Shakespeare play? Really? It's the only one I ever saw performed live where I nearly fell asleep from boredom. Maybe I need to study it better, or maybe the theatre company needed better actors. All I know is that it was much more interesting to read than it was to watch.

I'd have thought high school kids could best relate to Romeo and Juliet. After all, the protagonists are kids of high school age, going through that first-love thing that so many young teens have gone through for millennia. Of course I do get that modern kids probably can't relate to the reasons why Romeo & Juliet did what they did (secret marriage before going to bed, for example; not too many kids would worry about that nowadays).

Shakespeare was meant to be seen and heard, not read. Yeah, a person can read a Shakespeare play and enjoy it (I have), but it only really comes to life when it's performed. If high schools are going to continue to teach Shakespeare, they really should include at least one live performance in the curriculum - even if it's a movie like Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Twelfth Night, Much Ado About Nothing, or Henry V (just listing my favorites; even my grandmother loved the Branagh version of Henry V and she'd never read Shakespeare or seen a live Shakespeare play in her life).

It's arrogant really to want 2015 to embrace what I/we happened to in the 70s or 90s.
Why arrogant? I'm sure the people who were Shakespeare fans 400 years ago would be glad to know that people centuries in the future shared their interest.

In the meantime, why not try out some of the fan films? Some of them are excellent at recreating the look and feel of the actual TV series, and they have good, entertaining stories.
Two of them are good, the rest are okay, but they should not be a complete replacement for the official productions that are on the big screen now.
As far as I'm concerned, they are a more than adequate replacement for nuTrek. Sure, I may privately think that Phase II's version of Peter Kirk needs a haircut, but the stories themselves are enjoyable. Some of the Phase II material had me in tears, and I have to compliment the people on those productions for eliciting such a reaction. I'm not normally a sentimental person like that unless a dog or cat is involved. And I enjoy all the Star Trek Continues films, from the episodes to the vignettes to the parody of "Shatner on the Mount."

If other people like nuTrek, they are welcome to do so. I don't like it, so I'm thankful that there are creative and talented people willing to make entertaining fan films.

Hopefully so.

I mean, every generation has their thing. We tend to look back on past generations as if they had no life because they had no cell phone or Lady Gaga, but they had a culture and a life too, and I guarantee they weren't spending much of their life worrying that we were missing out on the cultural icon of Shakespeare, or the richness of the renaissance. Actually, I find the idea of Star Trek (in its current form, anyway) being a phenomenon 100 years from now a bit concerning. That would almost imply that creativity had stagnated.
Again, using Shakespeare as a reference... has our creativity stagnated because people still like Shakespeare? I don't think so. It provides inspiration for many other creative endeavors - musical theatre, for example. "West Side Story" is still a powerful play. And how many Shakespeare references are there among the various Star Trek series and movies? I haven't counted them myself, but I know there are more than a few.
 
LOL. Sorry but I thought Star Trek's manifesto of equality of races and genders (even other species) was be pretty obvious to a Trek fan.
We all get slightly different things from the show, what is very obvious to you, is nonexistent to other fans.

:)
 
Again, using Shakespeare as a reference... has our creativity stagnated because people still like Shakespeare? I don't think so. It provides inspiration for many other creative endeavors - musical theatre, for example. "West Side Story" is still a powerful play. And how many Shakespeare references are there among the various Star Trek series and movies? I haven't counted them myself, but I know there are more than a few.

Me thinks thou art a little too sensitive. You obviously got something out of what I wrote that I didn't intend...
 
Again, using Shakespeare as a reference... has our creativity stagnated because people still like Shakespeare? I don't think so. It provides inspiration for many other creative endeavors - musical theatre, for example. "West Side Story" is still a powerful play. And how many Shakespeare references are there among the various Star Trek series and movies? I haven't counted them myself, but I know there are more than a few.
Me thinks thou art a little too sensitive. You obviously got something out of what I wrote that I didn't intend...
You said:
Actually, I find the idea of Star Trek (in its current form, anyway) being a phenomenon 100 years from now a bit concerning. That would almost imply that creativity had stagnated.
This suggests to me that you think that if people are still enthusiastic about a particular genre of literature/art 100 years after its original time, that means they are lacking in creativity.

Some of us are enthusiastic about Shakespeare over 400 years after it first became popular. Does that mean we are lacking in creativity?

I don't think so.
 
Everything ends. One day, there won't be any human beings. Trek's great and may it live long, but if not it's served it purpose for me and brought me and millions more many hours of joy (and... ummm... more than a few of tedium too:ack:)
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top