Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[Nerys Myk]

Thanks for clearing that up. I honestly wasn't sure and was curious as to whether the new Marvel movies had actually boosted interest in the old HULK series.

Well, now, I was at a hipster bar in Grand Rapids a couple weeks ago, and one of the TVs was showing an episode of the Incredible Hulk series. The bar was too loud to hear the dialogue and they didn't have captioning turned on, but it appeared that David Banner was hulking out over the frustrations with a bad telephone booth. (I believe it was behind the same warehouse where the tripolodine was made in the MST3K episode Riding With Death.) I was strangely fascinated by this.

Later, one of the other TV turned on the Remastered Original Series episode ``Who Mourns For Adonais'', while my love and a friend and I went over to play the pinball machines.

I have to ask. What the heck is a "hipster bar"?

A Bar for hipsters, obviously.

...I thought the whole sequence was embarrassing especially the scream...

Now I have visions of the Edvard Munch painting with the Khan meme.

Some people have the opposite reaction about the whole thing. It is curious how the whole thing can be so divisive and so obviously awesome or awful, depending. I fell on the side of laughter *at* the movie with a little hide-my-face embarrassment mixed in as if a nearby family member just loudly farted at a funeral; funny and sad at the same time.

Eh, I'm embarrassed every time I'm watching the Ivanova Sex Dance Scene and someone walks into the room to witness it (Or even her Hand of God Speech), but, I still enjoy the Hell out of it

Ivanova is always embarrassing.

 

[fireproof78]

Well Spock should really have yelled "Maaaaaarrrrrrrcuuusss"
since it was really his fault that Kirk dies. The Khan scfream made no sense to me. Marcus was the real villain in the movie.

Well, Marcus was dead, and not really a threat. Khan, however, had deliberately incited Spock by beating on Kirk in front of him, and prepared to deliver the killing blow.

So, I think that Khan was the appropriate target of Spock's rage.

Beyond that, its a brief moment in an a fun film.

Unfortunately it was a brief moment that seemed forced. Yeah they reversed the roles but big deal. I thought the whole sequence was embarrassing especially the scream and failed at trying to emulate TWOK a superior film.

Well, this is where I know I differ from many opinions. The reversal of Kirk and Spock is what makes that scene. I don't care about Spock's scream at the end, and I don't care about Kirk punching out Scotty in order to go in to the reactor core. What I like is the fact that Kirk decided to not put himself first, he put the ship first and his crew first, at the cost of his life. A far cry from his self-absorbed ways at the bar in Iowa.

The fact that they tried to emulate TWOK is absolutely no suprise to me. Two other Trek films have attempted to do so, with mixed success. Why should I be surprised by the fact that looked to TWOK, when that film is lauded as the greatest Trek film ever, and is the benchmark by which all other Trek films are measured?

 

[eyeresist]

BTW, part of that scene was filmed at the US National Ignition Facility, and that thing Kirk is clambering over is actually the apparatus with which they are attempting to achieve a sustained nuclear fusion reaction. That is very cool.

(I know because the NIF featured in an ep of How We Got To Now.)

 

[TRON JA307020]

Well, now, I was at a hipster bar in Grand Rapids a couple weeks ago, and one of the TVs was showing an episode of the Incredible Hulk series. The bar was too loud to hear the dialogue and they didn't have captioning turned on, but it appeared that David Banner was hulking out over the frustrations with a bad telephone booth. (I believe it was behind the same warehouse where the tripolodine was made in the MST3K episode Riding With Death.) I was strangely fascinated by this.

Later, one of the other TV turned on the Remastered Original Series episode ``Who Mourns For Adonais'', while my love and a friend and I went over to play the pinball machines.

I have to ask. What the heck is a "hipster bar"?

A Bar for hipsters, obviously.

Huh? Is that people that are into the hip things from the 1960s like the Beatles? So basically its a 60s style bar? I guess if it has Star Trek stuff hanging up it would be pretty cool. Maybe some Lost in Space and 1966 Batman memorabilia would be cool to.

 

[eyeresist]

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

If you've seen a young man with a full beard and wearing skinny jeans, you have seen the archetypal (male) hipster of the present day.

 

[JoeP]

Thanks for clearing that up. I honestly wasn't sure and was curious as to whether the new Marvel movies had actually boosted interest in the old HULK series.

Well, now, I was at a hipster bar in Grand Rapids a couple weeks ago, and one of the TVs was showing an episode of the Incredible Hulk series. The bar was too loud to hear the dialogue and they didn't have captioning turned on, but it appeared that David Banner was hulking out over the frustrations with a bad telephone booth. (I believe it was behind the same warehouse where the tripolodine was made in the MST3K episode Riding With Death.) I was strangely fascinated by this.

Later, one of the other TV turned on the Remastered Original Series episode ``Who Mourns For Adonais'', while my love and a friend and I went over to play the pinball machines.

I have to ask. What the heck is a "hipster bar"?

They require neck beards to get in the door.

 

[Mudd]

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

If you've seen a young man with a full beard and wearing skinny jeans, you have seen the archetypal (male) hipster of the present day.

They have to be wearing a hat.

Also, they all look like ferrets. Every single one of them.

 

[RandyS]

A better way to look at it is that it would give newbies 700+ hours to look forward to.

Glass half full and all that.

I missed this post, but my bf discovered TNG thanks to the Abrams movies. Of course, since he's capable of thought, he recognizes that the two are in separate continuities. So we'll watch TNG but also anticipate the next movie together. There's no competition between the two: they're both under the one big happy family that is Star Trek.

Logic has no place in discussions like these!

Partiuclarly since Cyke missed the point of my post. I was commentng on the fact that any "newbie" who hadn't seen the old timeline would have 700 hours of enjoyment ahead of them. It was not a comment in any way shape or form about separate continuities or competition between the two. I wasn't making a value judgement as Cyke seems to think I was.

 

[JWPlatt]

BTW, part of that scene was filmed at the US National Ignition Facility, and that thing Kirk is clambering over is actually the apparatus with which they are attempting to achieve a sustained nuclear fusion reaction. That is very cool.

(I know because the NIF featured in an ep of How We Got To Now.)

So you think they let Chris Pine whomp on their apparatus? The exterior of the target chamber was real. The interior was a fake set.

That was an amazing piece of cooperation, though, and really stands for the meaningful things that some people who grew up with Star Trek were inspired to achieve to reach such a future.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

If you've seen a young man with a full beard and wearing skinny jeans, you have seen the archetypal (male) hipster of the present day.

Ok that dictionary is a joke right? What do the hipster women wear? I hope they don't have beards. I like my idea of the 60s bar with the cool star trek and lost in space stuff in it much better.

That had to be a joke but a pretty funny one.

 

[Cyke101]

I missed this post, but my bf discovered TNG thanks to the Abrams movies. Of course, since he's capable of thought, he recognizes that the two are in separate continuities. So we'll watch TNG but also anticipate the next movie together. There's no competition between the two: they're both under the one big happy family that is Star Trek.

Logic has no place in discussions like these!

Partiuclarly since Cyke missed the point of my post. I was commentng on the fact that any "newbie" who hadn't seen the old timeline would have 700 hours of enjoyment ahead of them. It was not a comment in any way shape or form about separate continuities or competition between the two. I wasn't making a value judgement as Cyke seems to think I was.

No, I wasn't calling you out or anything like that. I just referenced your post because it reminded me of my bf, who very much falls in with your line about "glass half full." Like I said, my bf was a newbie who found TNG because of current Trek. He had *at least* 170 hours of enjoyment in front of him, just from that one show itself.

My line about how there's no competition needed between the two continuities, I thought, was in support of your post as well. If one acts as a doorway to the other, then they're working in conjunction with each other, which is a good thing.

If there's a value judgment there, it's that I really value the fact that my bf is encountering Prime Trek for the first time, which is something that no current Trekkie can ever do again. That's for future Trekkies to experience, and that's thanks to Abrams.

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

If you've seen a young man with a full beard and wearing skinny jeans, you have seen the archetypal (male) hipster of the present day.

Ok that dictionary is a joke right? What do the hipster women wear? I hope they don't have beards. I like my idea of the 60s bar with the cool star trek and lost in space stuff in it much better.

That had to be a joke but a pretty funny one.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I ask because, well, the pretentious hipster stereotype is pretty well known, and exists in a lot of countries.

 

[RandyS]

Logic has no place in discussions like these!

Partiuclarly since Cyke missed the point of my post. I was commenting on the fact that any "newbie" who hadn't seen the old timeline would have 700 hours of enjoyment ahead of them. It was not a comment in any way shape or form about separate continuities or competition between the two. I wasn't making a value judgement as Cyke seems to think I was.

No, I wasn't calling you out or anything like that. I just referenced your post because it reminded me of my bf, who very much falls in with your line about "glass half full." Like I said, my bf was a newbie who found TNG because of current Trek. He had *at least* 170 hours of enjoyment in front of him, just from that one show itself.

My line about how there's no competition needed between the two continuities, I thought, was in support of your post as well. If one acts as a doorway to the other, then they're working in conjunction with each other, which is a good thing.

If there's a value judgment there, it's that I really value the fact that my bf is encountering Prime Trek for the first time, which is something that no current Trekkie can ever do again. That's for future Trekkies to experience, and that's thanks to Abrams.

Ah, okay. Gotcha.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Logic has no place in discussions like these!

Partiuclarly since Cyke missed the point of my post. I was commentng on the fact that any "newbie" who hadn't seen the old timeline would have 700 hours of enjoyment ahead of them. It was not a comment in any way shape or form about separate continuities or competition between the two. I wasn't making a value judgement as Cyke seems to think I was.

No, I wasn't calling you out or anything like that. I just referenced your post because it reminded me of my bf, who very much falls in with your line about "glass half full." Like I said, my bf was a newbie who found TNG because of current Trek. He had *at least* 170 hours of enjoyment in front of him, just from that one show itself.

My line about how there's no competition needed between the two continuities, I thought, was in support of your post as well. If one acts as a doorway to the other, then they're working in conjunction with each other, which is a good thing.

If there's a value judgment there, it's that I really value the fact that my bf is encountering Prime Trek for the first time, which is something that no current Trekkie can ever do again. That's for future Trekkies to experience, and that's thanks to Abrams.

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

If you've seen a young man with a full beard and wearing skinny jeans, you have seen the archetypal (male) hipster of the present day.

Ok that dictionary is a joke right? What do the hipster women wear? I hope they don't have beards. I like my idea of the 60s bar with the cool star trek and lost in space stuff in it much better.

That had to be a joke but a pretty funny one.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I ask because, well, the pretentious hipster stereotype is pretty well known, and exists in a lot of countries.

Not old but to old to really know who these people are. They sound strange and really self absorbed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Partiuclarly since Cyke missed the point of my post. I was commentng on the fact that any "newbie" who hadn't seen the old timeline would have 700 hours of enjoyment ahead of them. It was not a comment in any way shape or form about separate continuities or competition between the two. I wasn't making a value judgement as Cyke seems to think I was.

No, I wasn't calling you out or anything like that. I just referenced your post because it reminded me of my bf, who very much falls in with your line about "glass half full." Like I said, my bf was a newbie who found TNG because of current Trek. He had *at least* 170 hours of enjoyment in front of him, just from that one show itself.

My line about how there's no competition needed between the two continuities, I thought, was in support of your post as well. If one acts as a doorway to the other, then they're working in conjunction with each other, which is a good thing.

If there's a value judgment there, it's that I really value the fact that my bf is encountering Prime Trek for the first time, which is something that no current Trekkie can ever do again. That's for future Trekkies to experience, and that's thanks to Abrams.

Ok that dictionary is a joke right? What do the hipster women wear? I hope they don't have beards. I like my idea of the 60s bar with the cool star trek and lost in space stuff in it much better.

That had to be a joke but a pretty funny one.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I ask because, well, the pretentious hipster stereotype is pretty well known, and exists in a lot of countries.

Not old but to old to really know who these people are. They sound strange and really self absorbed.

I'm sure your generation had them, too. But under a different name. I know mine did.

 

[JWPlatt]

Humanity is a continuum of different labels over time applied to the same things. And someone in each new generation thinks they invented sex, the hippie, or the metrosexual.

 

[Greg Cox]

Wait, we don't get to call them beatniks anymore? Or bohemians?

I'm so behind the times . . .

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wait, we don't get to call them beatniks anymore? Or bohemians?

I'm so behind the times . . .

I thought they were Bohemians?

 

[Greg Cox]

Wait, we don't get to call them beatniks anymore? Or bohemians?

I'm so behind the times . . .

I thought they were Bohemians?

I stand corrected.

 

[martok2112]

They're New Bohemians. Simply add Edie Brickell.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

(We'll just forget about the Tim Burton version, okay? Clearly, 20th Century Fox want us to!)

But the Tim Burton version did made a ton of money:

PERCEPTION: Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes remake was a flop.

REALITY: Planet of the Apes was the 10th most watched movie of 2001. It only cost $100 million to make but grossed $362 million worldwide, $180 million domestically. In other words after production costs the studio banked a cool $262 million dollars. Other movies released that year which didn't do as well include A.I. Artificial Intelligence, which only earned $78 million domestically and after international receipts only banked around $135 million in profit. To really put it in perspective, Batman Begins, a film which was so successful it went on to spawn a sequel, only made $222 million dollars in profit. Planet of the Apes wasn't just a success, it was a huge success for Fox.

You're Wrong: 20 Common Box Office Misconceptions

As for how the new movies are regarded; how long do the fans of the 'prime' universe think that they will be around to keep it going? Most of us (I was born in 1969, and started watching Star Trek: TOS at the age of five or six) are now old men and women and might not be around much longer. As Dennis said a year or two ago regarding the merchandising of the movies vs. the merchandising of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager & Enterprise when we go, that's it; there will be no buyers left to sell the merchandise based on the 'Prime' Universe to. Star Trek has to keep going forward with reboots that will get younger fans to see it, despite (and even if) said reboots don't have what the established fans want to see or expect (the fan productions, although good, don't have enough in terms of fandom to be the replacements that the established fans of the 'Prime' universe want to see dethrone the new movies from Abrams & Co., even if they are wowsers like Star Trek Axanar.)

I think that it's high time for fans to accept the inevitable, and deal with these changes.