Fun Facts

[HIjol]

They could have included her in the wedding scene in Nemesis. It's not like they explained how Wesley was there either.

Hmmm, they could of had all the characters from all the series, including TOS and ENT at the wedding reception seated at various tables, talking in the crowd of guests ...

... and then not explained how they were there.

Actually that sounds pretty cool, maybe a scene featuring the dance floor. And they could have CGI'ed in Gene Roddenberry somewhere.

The more I think about this idea, the more excellent it sounds! Man, that would have been cool! Expensive? Sure! Full of logistical challenges? Oh, yeah! But, doable and very cool. Thank you, T! I will see that wedding scene just the way you describe it from now on!

 

[Cyke101]

He went from Traveler to yellow shirt.

Actually, even though he talks about being an engineer, the department colour piping on his dress uniform is red.

He couldn't even get his color right! Dammit, Wesley!

 

[Taylirious]

Was Seven Of Nine going to be male? I thought I heard that.

 

[Maurice]

Anyone who thinks the reply "Nope" followed by factual evidence to the contrary is to "jump on someone" needs to have their sense of proportion checked.

As to the stinking badges, if anyone has citeable EVIDENCE to the contrary re the original intent, I suggest they post the source or just accept that they're incorrect and move on. I always cite sources.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I'm surprised to hear that Sir Patrick Stewart was expected to wear a toupée, when he'd previously found notoriety from starring in DUNE and in EXCALIBUR without having worn one. Stewart was proud and vital. It would've been laughable to have him suddenly sporting a lush mane, out of a clear, blue sky ...

 

[HIjol]

I'm surprised to hear that Sir Patrick Stewart was expected to wear a toupée, when he'd previously found notoriety from starring in DUNE and in EXCALIBUR without having worn one. Stewart was proud and vital. It would've been laughable to have him suddenly sporting a lush mane, out of a clear, blue sky ...

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You know, it's funny, but I always pictured him as a brunette.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

 

[HIjol]

(((JAZZHANDSJAZZHADSJAZZHANDJAZZHANDS!!!)))

 

[lurok]

Sejanus

(for real)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Thank you. That was all I was trying to get at in my original post. The idea was there, it just never manifested itself further.

I think that some people, though I won't presume to speak for everyone, are taking issue with the fact that it's very clear now in retrospect, with the uncovering of the above-quoted memo, that it wasn't in fact "meant" to be the case, as you had originally put it. It just sort of happened that way by accident, and the situation wasn't, and couldn't be, corrected within the original series in time to prevent it from being canonized in certain obvious and noteworthy cases.

 

[The Wormhole]

Was Seven Of Nine going to be male? I thought I heard that.

According to Memory Alpha, the character was always meant to be female, right from the moment the concept of a former Borg drone joining the crew was first pitched to Berman.

 

[Richard Baker]

Fun Fact:
George Takei was told to push a certain button on his console because the director had the shot framed and that action would look good. He refused saying "If I push THAT button I would blow up the ship!"

 

[HIjol]

Fun Fact: in ST IV in the scene where the "Bounty Crew" are walking in a line, past the Pub, you see Sulu shade his eyes and look in the big window, the he turns back, and just before they cut, you see him smile. Seems the patrons knew of the filming, and at the moment Sulu looked in, one of the more "Bounty-ful" female patrons pulled up her top, and Sulu got an eyefull of 20th Century Nacelles. That is why he smiled!

 

[Melakon]

Was Seven Of Nine going to be male? I thought I heard that.

According to Memory Alpha, the character was always meant to be female, right from the moment the concept of a former Borg drone joining the crew was first pitched to Berman.

When Brannon Braga first had the idea of a Borg crewmember, and discussed it with Joe Menosky, it was male. He gives credit to Rick Berman for suggesting it be female.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine

The concept of Seven of Nine began while Brannon Braga was sitting at home, late one night, and saw a televised promotion for the Borg-centric third season installment "Unity". (Braving the Unknown: Season Four, VOY Season 4 DVD; Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) The idea of having a Borg crewman aboard the starship Voyager – a notion that instantly appealed to Braga – occurred to him as he was watching the advertisement. (Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) He then brought the character concept to the attention of fellow writer Joe Menosky. Braga later remembered, "I called Joe Menosky, and pitched this idea, and he thought it was a great idea. And then we talked about it and all the things.... 'What would that mean, to have a Borg character?' It would be really cool." (Braving the Unknown: Season Four, VOY Season 4 DVD) Braga also related, "I called Joe Menosky and we brainstormed. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a stupid idea." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) After Menosky approved of the concept, Braga called Executive Producer Rick Berman. "It was late, but I was so excited [....] He really liked the idea but he had the stroke of genius, 'Make it a Borg babe,'" said Braga. "And we just talked about it, for a couple hours, and we just thought, 'This is a really cool idea. This could be really... just the thing we need.'" (Braving the Unknown: Season Four, VOY Season 4 DVD) This marathon conversation between Berman and Braga took place in the spring of 1997. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 348) Berman was not the only executive producer to whom Braga suggested the idea of a Borg crew member, however. "I [...] took it in to Rick Berman and Jeri Taylor," Braga said, "and they liked the idea." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) Taylor herself commented, "The idea of having a female Borg was one of those that came largely through spontaneous combustion. It started with Brannon, and quickly gained a great deal of support." (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 348)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I can't see where the proposed Borg crewman was originally specified as male. "Crewman" is sexually ambiguous, and could be male or female.

 

[Melakon]

All right, so let's just say the Borg crewmember was genderless until Berman wanted a Borg babe. I only knew someone would want some sort of citation for the comment, so now we need a cite saying it was always intended to be female.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well, from that, I agree that the idea it would be a "babe" [sic] came second.

 

[Melakon]

That's Braga quoting Berman with 'babe'.

 

[The Wormhole]

Was Seven Of Nine going to be male? I thought I heard that.

According to Memory Alpha, the character was always meant to be female, right from the moment the concept of a former Borg drone joining the crew was first pitched to Berman.

When Brannon Braga first had the idea of a Borg crewmember, and discussed it with Joe Menosky, it was male. He gives credit to Rick Berman for suggesting it be female.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine

The concept of Seven of Nine began while Brannon Braga was sitting at home, late one night, and saw a televised promotion for the Borg-centric third season installment "Unity". (Braving the Unknown: Season Four, VOY Season 4 DVD; Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) The idea of having a Borg crewman aboard the starship Voyager – a notion that instantly appealed to Braga – occurred to him as he was watching the advertisement. (Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) He then brought the character concept to the attention of fellow writer Joe Menosky. Braga later remembered, "I called Joe Menosky, and pitched this idea, and he thought it was a great idea. And then we talked about it and all the things.... 'What would that mean, to have a Borg character?' It would be really cool." (Braving the Unknown: Season Four, VOY Season 4 DVD) Braga also related, "I called Joe Menosky and we brainstormed. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a stupid idea." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) After Menosky approved of the concept, Braga called Executive Producer Rick Berman. "It was late, but I was so excited [....] He really liked the idea but he had the stroke of genius, 'Make it a Borg babe,'" said Braga. "And we just talked about it, for a couple hours, and we just thought, 'This is a really cool idea. This could be really... just the thing we need.'" (Braving the Unknown: Season Four, VOY Season 4 DVD) This marathon conversation between Berman and Braga took place in the spring of 1997. (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 348) Berman was not the only executive producer to whom Braga suggested the idea of a Borg crew member, however. "I [...] took it in to Rick Berman and Jeri Taylor," Braga said, "and they liked the idea." (Cinefantastique, Vol. 30, No. 9/10, p. 75) Taylor herself commented, "The idea of having a female Borg was one of those that came largely through spontaneous combustion. It started with Brannon, and quickly gained a great deal of support." (A Vision of the Future - Star Trek: Voyager, p. 348)

In my defense, I only glanced over that quickly and saw the part where it said

'Make it a Borg babe,'" said Braga.

and mistakenly assumed it was actually a Braga quote.

 

[Melakon]

I thought that a possibility when I saw how that quote was formatted in the article. But knowing Memory Alpha isn't perfect, it's possible there is an article that says the character was always female. I've got the dvd with the featurette where Braga tells the story too.