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[Nerys Myk]

And stranger things have happened than wardrobe making a small mistake so, who's to say something like that didn't happen

As I said before and I'll say again, let's agree to disagree because neither side will cave.

Bob Justman says it didn't

Do you know who Bob Justman was and why his "opinion" ( in the form of a memo issue while the show was in production) holds more weight than, well your's or another fan? I don't understand why you can't accept that you were wrong. I was wrong about this very topic for decades. And when present with the evidence that showed I was wrong I was willing to admit it and accept it.

I quoted a fact, whether that fact is true in your eyes or not I honestly dont care. Take a moment to look at the title of this forum...Got it did you look? It's called "Fun Facts" It was designed to be a lighthearted and fun forum not somewhere for people to agressively force their opinions on others. You were not part of the film crew all you know is the memo which is the view of one person (all-be-it an important one) but it takes more than one person for a show and any number of things could be the reason behind all this. Also this is not my opinion' I'm merely quoting the article my opinion is irrelevant. So let's all just drop it because I'm seriously tired of this. I joined these forums to brighten my day not stress me out.

You've an odd definition of fact. The guy was a producer on the show. It's more than an opinion, it was what the people in charge wanted and decided. He and Roddenberry ( and couple of others) were in charge. They were the bosses. The memo was written to their underlings ( for lack of better term) at the time the show was being made. I am at a loss as to why you fail to comprehend what this means.

 

[Brie]

I'm so done with this topic. It is doing no positives. I'm trying to pick topics that are upbeat and THIS happens. I am done with this topic. I am on this forum because it brings me joy to talk about Star Trek with other fans, but this is being taken to a point where I'm being upset by the way people are talking in here. I did nothing other than post silly little facts and its being blown up to a point that it shouldn't be. we all just need to drop it. oh and Orphalesion, that prior post litteraly had nothing to do with her gender I stated she was a strong female character, and I'm not calling myself out for my gender I'm calling out mysellf for my age. I wasn't raised on this stuff like most of these people so don't just to conclusions like that without knowing why I said what I said. And I would prefer they don't contribute in a harmful way, I'm not going to go into why I find solice in this site and why I only post happy topics because I'm not going to air my personal buisness to a bunch of strangers, just know I only post happy/positive things for a reason.

 

[Nerys Myk]

All that happened was you posted something that wasn't true and were corrected. Not sure why you can't see that. Accept the correction and move on.

 

[Cyke101]

As I said before and I'll say again, let's agree to disagree because neither side will cave.

I know you're long gone, but there's something really problematic about this tactic of trying to shut down a conversation over something factual. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not everyone is entitled to their own facts; so unlike opinions, facts don't change just out of convenience or pride, especially when those facts are corroborated with evidence.

Of course, it's not limited to just this topic, but it's something that increasingly bugs me in the general world overall.

 

[Brie]

because all I said was I have the opinion that my post is correct. Again the word OPINION is in there. I'm withdrawing from this conversation because I do not want to continue debating this with you all. I just said that what did happen and what was planned to happen are different and that my post was what was planned while yours was about what DID happen. planning and execution are different and cant be argued to be the same. In planning they had the idea to give the Enterprise their own badges. What Happened was vastly different, obviously.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In planning they had the idea to give the Enterprise their own badges. What Happened was vastly different, obviously

This is where you lose me. Since the opposite is what happened.

 

[Brie]

In planning they had the idea to give the Enterprise their own badges. What Happened was vastly different, obviously

This is where you lose me. Since the opposite is what happened.

That was their PLAN as in like a rough draft. Obviously they had a change of heart since it didn't happen, that is literally all I'm trying to get at.

 

[Ghrakh]

People are seriously getting hung up about badges?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

 

[Nerys Myk]

In planning they had the idea to give the Enterprise their own badges. What Happened was vastly different, obviously

This is where you lose me. Since the opposite is what happened.

That was their PLAN as in like a rough draft. Obviously they had a change of heart since it didn't happen, that is literally all I'm trying to get at.

We don't know that. The only information is Justman's memo. Which states the only plan was for the badge to be for all of Starfleet. Prior to that we assumed the intent was for each ship had it's own badge. But there is nothing to corroborate this. There is no evidence of a change of plan, just that someone ( possibly in costuming) made a mistake. The mistake was addressed by Justman in his memo.

 

[hux]

This thread has lost its way. Allow me to get it back on topic

Orions secrete pheromones from their anus

The Ferenghi once mistakenly believed that having a big anus meant having good business acumen

The Dominion have a colony in sector 14G called "anus prime"

 

[Orphalesion]

^Anus....wasn't that the thing that killed Yar and sucked up Riker?

Before Kirk 56 cultures across the Alpha and Beta quadrant had no word for "baby-daddy".
Before Voyager and Janeway about half of the civilizations in the Delta Quadrant had no word for "doom-bringer" and no equivalent of the Terran concept of the "ship of fools". Even as late as the early 2400s shouting "Captain Janeway!" anywhere from Ocampa to Krenim Space was the rough equivalent of "Leeroy Jenkins!"

 

[2takesfrakes]

What an insult to Denise Crosby, having her character killed off by a trashbag floating in an oil slick! Gene Roddenberry must've taken it personally, when Denise wanted off of the show ... HIS show!

 

[Orphalesion]

I know. It was already an insult that they pretty much just shoved her into the background in most episodes. They could have given her a better death or perhaps not kill of her character at all but send her away on a mission with a posibility of her returning.

I'm sure Tasha could have improved like all the other characters. I find it particularly odd that they never had her in any of the movies...
They could have used "All good things..." (which also showed how good her character could have become) to resurrect her for the films if they wanted to.

 

[BillJ]

I'm sure Tasha could have improved like all the other characters. I find it particularly odd that they never had her in any of the movies...
They could have used "All good things..." (which also showed how good her character could have become) to resurrect her for the films if they wanted to.

Why? They already had five characters they were shoving in the background every movie.

 

[Orphalesion]

Why? They already had five characters they were shoving in the background every movie.

True

 

[F. King Daniel]

Majel Barrett is the only person to appear or be heard in every incarnation of Star Trek, last lending her voice to the Enterprise computer in the 2009 Trek reboot.

 

[BillJ]

Do you know who Bob Justman was and why his "opinion" ( in the form of a memo issue while the show was in production) holds more weight than, well your's or another fan? I don't understand why you can't accept that you were wrong. I was wrong about this very topic for decades. And when present with the evidence that showed I was wrong I was willing to admit it and accept it.

Exactly.

It is also something I like. I think the multiple badges give flavor to the universe. But, it was obviously a mistake made by the costuming department. From everything we've learned over the years, there was never an intent, at any point, for there to be different badges for different ships.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Do you know who Bob Justman was and why his "opinion" ( in the form of a memo issue while the show was in production) holds more weight than, well your's or another fan? I don't understand why you can't accept that you were wrong. I was wrong about this very topic for decades. And when present with the evidence that showed I was wrong I was willing to admit it and accept it.

Exactly.

It is also something I like. I think the multiple badges give flavor to the universe. But, it was obviously a mistake made by the costuming department. From everything we've learned over the years, there was never an intent, at any point, for there to be different badges for different ships.

You mean that the evidence is that there was never any such intent by the auture Gene Roddenberry. I think that's an important clarification, because there was such an intent to costume different ships with different badges on at least two occasions by one or more subordinates, probably including Bill Theiss, who were probably acting in good faith, given the variety of badges shown in the first season, but who were not corrected in time for those second season episodes to get produced. The point is that it's not like the badges entered canon because Theiss et al. were acting contrary to how they'd been instructed. I believe that it's also reasonable to wonder whether it was clear in anybody's mind except Gene Roddenberry's that the Antares was not supposed to be a Starfleet service vessel.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I know. It was already an insult that they pretty much just shoved her into the background in most episodes. They could have given her a better death or perhaps not kill of her character at all but send her away on a mission with a posibility of her returning.

I'm sure Tasha could have improved like all the other characters. I find it particularly odd that they never had her in any of the movies...
They could have used "All good things..." (which also showed how good her character could have become) to resurrect her for the films if they wanted to.

But she came back as a clone Romulan princess daughter thing!

Most people can't say that.

 

[Stoo]

True Facts:

Jonathan Frakes is deathly afraid of otters.

The Defiant was originally intended to be called the USS Mr Humphries, as the writers are all massive fans of the 1970s British sitcom Are You Being Served?