What I like about the show and what I don't

[Hopeful Romantic]

You do understand there are no evidence of the NX-01 in any of the PREVIOUS Star Trek series or the movies except for JJ Abrams' Into Darkness?

I remember a reference to Admiral Archer's dog in the 2009 Trek movie. There was great hue and cry about it here at the time. And since Archer commanded the NX-01, I just kind of figured it was a tip o' the hat to everything in this show.

Some Trek fans can take this 'canon' thing a bit too seriously.

One fan's attention to detail is another fan's...not so much attention. IDIC and all that. There's room enough in the universe for everyone. As a storyteller, I have enjoyed trying to figure out in-universe solutions to continuity mismatches on ENT. Like the foreheads thing in the Klingon arc in Season 4. It's a fun puzzle to solve, from a structural standpoint. OTOH, there are some mismatches that are just too distracting. Like, oh, say, TATV.

Suspension of disbelief is not the issue, it's about being ignorant and obtuse.

Now, that's not very nice. We're all fans here, whatever way we choose to show it. It's much more pleasant to disagree without being disagreeable. Okay?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Some can speculate it's a nod and some can speculate it's part of the JJ UNIVERSE, which it is now.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It's both.

 

[T'Girl]

The official word of the writers can be found in VOY: "Relativity"

I thought canon wasn't important to you.

 

[IrishNero]

Technically, since the JJ Universe changed the timeline, the ONLY series that wasn't actually affected by the new timeline would be Enterprise, because it came before Nero came and screwed everything up. Tell that to anyone who truly hated Enterprise and that will make their skin crawl.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yes I remember having this revelation after I watched XI and laughing my ass off!

 

[marlboro]

Something else I liked about the show was that the characters expressed a sense of awe at the wondrous sights they witnessed.

 

[IrishNero]

Yes, they really went out of their way to look at sights on that show (which ended up getting them into trouble). I thought that was cool too. I think that's the way I'd be too.

Something I didn't like: Archer's pacing back and forth while talking to anyone 'On-screen.' Geebus, stand still! You're making me nervous! Sit down like Kirk and save that energy because you're eventually going to need it to fight somebody or run from something...

 

[STEPhon IT]

Technically, since the JJ Universe changed the timeline, the ONLY series that wasn't actually affected by the new timeline would be Enterprise, because it came before Nero came and screwed everything up. Tell that to anyone who truly hated Enterprise and that will make their skin crawl.

Very true. Since the NX-01 has been referenced in the JJ Universe, it's good for a discussion Archer and his crew had something to do with wiping themselves out of the normal Trek timeline. Now they're in the JJ Timeline.

And no other Trek series or movies from the normal timeline ever referenced Archer's crew. AS IF, the crew never existed.

It would have been better for Berman and Braga to create a series which wasn't too much in line with the classic series or calling the ship Enterprise. Yorktown or any other name would have been helpful for the continuity of Treklore.

 

[IrishNero]

Technically, since the JJ Universe changed the timeline, the ONLY series that wasn't actually affected by the new timeline would be Enterprise, because it came before Nero came and screwed everything up. Tell that to anyone who truly hated Enterprise and that will make their skin crawl.

Very true. Since the NX-01 has been referenced in the JJ Universe, it's good for a discussion Archer and his crew had something to do with wiping themselves out of the normal Trek timeline. Now they're in the JJ Timeline.

And no other Trek series or movies from the normal timeline ever referenced Archer's crew. AS IF, the crew never existed.

It would have been better for Berman and Braga to create a series which wasn't too much in line with the classic series or calling the ship Enterprise. Yorktown or any other name would have been helpful for the continuity of Treklore.

I never agreed with the ship's name for this show. Not that is was sacrilege or anything. I just thought 'Enterprise' had already been used far too often in the TOS, movies and TNG. It was as if they thought the show wouldn't be viable without 'Enterprise' being attached to it.

 

[eyeresist]

You do understand it's just a TV show?

You do understand I'm a Star Trek fan?

We all are.

Yes, they really went out of their way to look at sights on that show (which ended up getting them into trouble). I thought that was cool too. I think that's the way I'd be too.

That's definitely one of the good things about the show. Mining the comet in Breaking the Ice, and exploring the surface of a star in Cogenitor. Also the stellar nursery in Cold Front, though that was not a great episode. There was also a real sense of apprehension and wonder when meeting aliens.

I never agreed with the ship's name for this show. Not that is was sacrilege or anything. I just thought 'Enterprise' had already been used far too often in the TOS, movies and TNG. It was as if they thought the show wouldn't be viable without 'Enterprise' being attached to it.

Commercially they were probably right. Ratings had been steadily declining for all shows after TNG, and the producers probably felt that the fairly vague titles had something to do with it. Enterprise is much more obviously Star Trek than Voyager, for instance. But then they didn't actually include Star Trek in the title, which was probably the decision of someone else, someone who thought you could increase the ratings of a sci-fi show by hiding the fact that it's sci-fi.

 

[Dukhat]

You do understand Spock, and his Romulan enemies from the prime universe traveled into the JJ universe and it's possible time can be manipulated and altered in the Star Trek universe?

Nero traveled back in time to the Prime universe's past. His actions immediately following this changed the timeline into the JJ universe. Because this happened, Spock ended up in this new universe later. But before all this, it was the same universe. Archer and the NX-01 had nothing to do with this change.

You do understand in First Contact TNG crew went back in time and revealed everything of what's going to be to 21st century pioneers? Doing this could alter and hamper the timeline?

I understand that Picard and crew travelling back to the 21st century and meeting Cochrane could potentially have created an alternate universe, yes. But then that would have changed the future 24th century that Picard returned to. But it didn't. Hence, what happened in First Contact was what always happened (i.e. it didn't create an alternate universe.)

You do understand there was an episode of Enterprise where scientist discovered a Borg drone which was a DIRECT occurrence because of time travel?

See above. Plus, the signal those Borg from the future/past sent was picked up by the Borg in the 24th century, which was why they were heading for the Alpha Quadrant when the Enterprise-D ran into them in "Q-Who," so again this was always supposed to happen in the same universe.

You do UNDERSTAND there were villains who were not seen but were considered from a different timeline in the series?

Like who?

You do understand there are no evidence of the NX-01 in any of the PREVIOUS Star Trek series or the movies except for JJ Abrams' Into Darkness?

There is a planet called Archer IV in TNG and a ship called the U.S.S. Archer in Nemesis, both named after Jonathan Archer. I believe there was also a gold model of the NX-01 in Nemesis. But the biggest culprit is TATV, where Riker and Troi are on a holodeck representation of the NX-01 during the event's of TNG's "The Pegasus."

So, yeah, I do understand.

 

[eyeresist]

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

You do understand there are no evidence of the NX-01 in any of the PREVIOUS Star Trek series or the movies except for JJ Abrams' Into Darkness?

There is a planet called Archer IV in TNG and a ship called the U.S.S. Archer in Nemesis, both named after Jonathan Archer. I believe there was also a gold model of the NX-01 in Nemesis. But the biggest culprit is TATV, where Riker and Troi are on a holodeck representation of the NX-01 during the event's of TNG's "The Pegasus."

So, yeah, I do understand.

There are loads of different reasons why planets/ships could be called Archer. Planet: person who first charted the system/surveyed the planet, name of its founder, it's located in the Sagittarius constellation. Ship: historic figure from our not-too-distant future, an actual archer (fellow with bow and arrow).

Also I know not what this TATV is you speak of. I remember an awful dream I had where there was a holodeck scene in "The Pegasus", but fortunately that's all it was

 

[Dukhat]

There are loads of different reasons why planets/ships could be called Archer. Planet: person who first charted the system/surveyed the planet, name of its founder, it's located in the Sagittarius constellation. Ship: historic figure from our not-too-distant future, an actual archer (fellow with bow and arrow).

The planet was specifically referenced as being named after Archer on a display screen in "In a Mirror Darkly."

 

[F. King Daniel]

Although it makes zero sense that Archer IV be one of "two planets named after him". Sometimes I wonder how the writers can cock these things up!

Incidentally, over in the Shatnerverse novel Captain's Peril, the largest gas giant in Federation territory is called "T'Pol's World" (although, written when ENT existed only as a casting sheet, it also mentions a baby Phillip Boyce being bounced on the knee of "Jack Archer")

 

[eyeresist]

Star Trek writers - screwing with continuity since 1966

 

[STEPhon IT]

You do UNDERSTAND there were villains who were not seen but were considered from a different timeline in the series?

Like who?

The mysterious entity from the 27th century who used future aliens to manipulate timelines.

There could have been other adventures the crew Enterprise had but were never told.

There's no evidence the NX-01 existed in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, or the first 10 movies UNTIL the JJ Trek films.

 

[STEPhon IT]

You do understand there are no evidence of the NX-01 in any of the PREVIOUS Star Trek series or the movies except for JJ Abrams' Into Darkness?

There is a planet called Archer IV in TNG and a ship called the U.S.S. Archer in Nemesis, both named after Jonathan Archer. I believe there was also a gold model of the NX-01 in Nemesis. But the biggest culprit is TATV, where Riker and Troi are on a holodeck representation of the NX-01 during the event's of TNG's "The Pegasus."

So, yeah, I do understand.

Based on your answers??? Nah, you don't. The NX-01 was not in Star Trek Nemesis.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek writers - screwing with continuity since 1966

Yep. Trek's entire backstory is built on retroactive continuity and rewrites. You can either go with the flow and enjoy the little bits of backstory they give you (like tying ENT into "The Tholian Web" via "In a Mirror, Darkly", Klingon foreheads, Arik Soong naming the Briar Patch, Archer building the Federation etc) or fret because a background model or 20 year old line of dialogue doesn't jibe.

I bet STEPhon IT never even realized that TOS and Voyager, despite crossing over a few times, can't possibly exist in the same universe because according to Spock in "That Which Survives", Kirk's Enterprise would have made Voyager's 75-years-at-warp-9.975 journey in under a month at warp 8.4. That breaks the entire premise of the show! TOS, TAS and the classic movies are packed with overwhelming evidence that zipping across the galaxy is no biggie - like effortlessly visiting the rim of the galaxy and the centre. Then along comes Voyager, ignoring all of that for their purposes.