What if Tuvix had survived?

[wildsulu]

those lines and your interpretation,

You're not making it up, are you? Disturbing!!!

PS. what is "Tieran-Kes"?!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I don't like the way Tuvix talked to the captain. He was very forward. Presumptuous, even.

He deserved to die.

 

[SPCTRE]

Finally, a Tuvix thread!

Janeway is coming form the perspective that Tuvoc and Neelix are still alive, trapped, within the abomination of Tuvix. She's is proved right, as they are returned to their normal selves. I would do the same but clone and brainscan/mindmeld (isn't there another vulcan on Voyager or are there pon farr pangs I'm forgetting) the abomination and technobabble a new character into the mix that Janeway could then kill off in a couple episodes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

those lines and your interpretation,

You're not making it up, are you? Disturbing!!!

PS. what is "Tieran-Kes"?!

In the episode Warlord, the conciousness (call him a space ghost why not?) of an old despot named Tieran had been jumping consciousnesses for hundreds of years staying one step ahead of his enemies, until his mind transferred into the driving seat of young Kes' firm little body, and he had the mental powers of an angry god, which is exactly how he used them.

Warlord is almost the Kes episode.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What if Tuvok and Tuvix BOTH went into pon farr at the same time and they declared kal-if-fee on each other?

Remember when Shran and Archer had that fight to the death and Archer won through trickery even though it was fighting with an Andorian weapon and he's a terrible fighter and should have died instantly?

Boy I sure love those manufactured fight to the death of friends scenarios. Can't have enough of 'em! MORE MORE!!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Warlord is almost the Kes episode.

It's certainly my the Kes episode. As in, only.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Before and After is mine.

Jennifer may look fascinating in that bubble gum tight leather lovesock, but it's not Kes up stairs in Warlord, so it's not a Kes episode, it's the #### who hijacked her body's episode.

 

[SPCTRE]

What if Tuvok and Tuvix BOTH went into pon farr at the same time and they declared kal-if-fee on each other?

Better yet, what if they declared Khaleesi?

 

[hux]

Nothing was gone, nothing lost just rearranged. As such Tuvix, in my opinion at least, spoke for Tuvok and Neelix when he begged not to split him, because Tuvok and Neelix had no awareness beyond or seperate from Tuvix, so his opinion were also theirs by default.

Nothing is gone or lost if you separate him either. As far as Tuvix wanting to live is concerned that could just be a small part of Neelix wanting to continue as Tuvix but not necessarily both of them (no way to know) so his "opinion" can't be totally accepted as proof of sentience

Did someone say sentience. I feel a poll coming on

Or if we want to be completely honest Slimy is when a man who is not handsome tries to begin a relationship.

Handsome men can do awful things and women don't mind.

Dude, it's alright, she can't hurt you anymore

He deserved to die.

Just before transport took place, she should have turned her back on him and said...."this is for Tuvok, you whore!"....then punched him in the face

Then laughed

Then said....."separate that fucking freak!"

 

[SPCTRE]

Warlord is almost the Kes episode.

It's certainly my the Kes episode. As in, only.

Is The Kes a re-booted version of Kes?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, Fury was certainly the de-booted version.

 

[borgboy]

According to Warlord...

someone were disrupting your ability to concentrate. [telepathically] It's a helpless feeling, isn't it.
TUVOK: You will not break my control.
TIERAN-KES: [telepathically] Not break you, free you from all that repression. All you have to do is let go. I can help you release your own strength, and give you what you've always secretly desired.
TUVOK: I have never desired Kes.
TIERAN-KES: [telepathically] All those hours you spent alone together, all those intimate moments touching each other's minds, you've never even wondered what it might be like?

40 percent of Tuvok wanted to push Kes up against a wall and put a baby in her, if anything ever happened to his wife.

Which means that 70 percent of Tuvix was unwholesomely drawn to Kes.

And lets not forget how destructive unchecked Vulcan Emotions are, but there are rules.

Tuvok is married, so he kept that #### in check.

That was awesome.
Yeah, I always thought Tuvok secretly wanted Kes.
It is a little interesting how Tuvik admitted that he loved both Kes and Tuvok's wife too. I guess that makes him polyamorous. You could tell that didn't go down with Kes well, although she was generally appalled by the whole thing.
Before and After is my favorite Kes episode, but I pretty much like every Kes episode - except the abomination that is Fury. Even Elogum.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Kes would have left.

Would have? She did.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When she left is as important that she left.

Imagine if Kes had stayed for another three episodes, what would the consequences of that have been?

(Day of Honor, Nemesis and Revulsion.)

 

[hux]

Imagine if Kes had stayed for another three episodes, what would the consequences of that have been?

(Day of Honor, Nemesis and Revulsion.)

Dunno

Maybe if she'd been around for Nemesis, she could have sensed Mad Max beyond Thunderdome

 

[Melakon]

I guess that makes him polyamorous.

Or an adulterer.

 

[Kilana2]

Kes tried desperately to be polite to Tuvix, but wanted Neelix back. As to Neelix, some might say "Good Riddance". But would Tuvix be the better alternative to Neelix? At least I liked the interaction between Tuvok "Mr. Vulcan" and Neelix, so in the end I was glad to have them both back as was the rest of the Voyager crew.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Kes tried desperately to be polite to Tuvix, but wanted Neelix back. As to Neelix, some might say "Good Riddance". But would Tuvix be the better alternative to Neelix? At least I liked the interaction between Tuvok "Mr. Vulcan" and Neelix, so in the end I was glad to have them both back as was the rest of the Voyager crew.

What I find puzzling is that Kes' said several times that jealousy was incomprehensible to Ocampas because they mate for life (which given how long that is, is not much of a constraint) and what does she do only a few episodes later, she dumps Neelix!

 

[Kilana2]

You don´t want to know about Mirror Universe Kes. If you do, David Mack´s Rise Like Lion is the hell of a read .

As to Neelix, he later found Dexa.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

You don´t want to know about Mirror Universe Kes. If you do, David Mack´s Rise Like Lion is the hell of a read .

As to Neelix, he later found Dexa.

The point is that that line about "mating for life" makes absolutely no sense in retrospect.