Were any Galaxy Class ships lost at Wolf 359?

[ConRefit79]

Another post about the life expectancy of the Enterprise D got me wondering if the Borg cube destroyed and Galaxy Class ships at Wolf 359.

And what about the second Borg cube?

 

[SPCTRE]

EAS has an in-depth analysis of the ships that were present at Wolf 359.

 

[Dukhat]

Other than those 15 or so ships listed, there's no other canonical list of the remaining 25 ships. So if there was another Galaxy at Wolf 359, we'll never know.

And what second Borg cube? Are you referring to the one from First Contact? Other than the nine classes of ships we saw on screen (none of which were Galaxies), we also have no idea of the complete types and total number of ships that engaged the Borg in that movie.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I saw a second cube behind the grassy knoll!

 

[C.E. Evans]

I tend to think that there weren't that many Galaxy-class ships around at the time of Wolf 359, and the Enterprise-D was (naturally) the only one that was within range.

By the time of the Battle of Sector 001, I'm inclined to think all available Galaxy-class ships were involved in the Dominion War and the other ships that participated in the second Borg offensive were ships assigned to the protection of Earth anyway. Heck, even the Enterprise-E wasn't supposed to be there.

That doesn't mean that it isn't possible that there weren't any Galaxy-class ships in both of those two engagements, but I favor the idea that there weren't that many of them around (I think that also applies to the Sovereign-class at the time).

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah, I would tend to think that Hanson's hastily-organized fleet just contained perimeter ships that were meant for sector defense, and not large exploration vessels such as the Galaxy class, most of which would probably have been in deep space on missions at the time.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Wasn't there a mention early on in TNG, before "The Best of Both Worlds", that there were only something like six sister ships?

 

[Dukhat]

Something like that. At the time, the only known Galaxies were the Enterprise, the Yamato, and by logical deduction, the Galaxy. And none of those three ships were at Wolf 359. So that lowers the odds right there by 50%.

 

[tharpdevenport]

And as I recall, one was destroyed prior to Wolf 359.

 

[Finn]

^Yes. The Yamato

 

[Anwar]

Hanson was supposed to be on a Galaxy Class ship at Wolf 359, but I don't know if that made it to the televised version.

 

[Ithekro]

Wasn't that a new Nebula-class ship he was suppose to be on?

 

[Mage]

By the time of the Battle of Sector 001, I'm inclined to think all available Galaxy-class ships were involved in the Dominion War and the other ships that participated in the second Borg offensive were ships assigned to the protection of Earth anyway. .

During the Battle of Sector 001 the war hadn't started yet. And although they mixed up the stardates, dialogue from the episode where the Dominion fleet enters the Alpha Quadrant, seems to indicate that the battle of Sector 001 had already happened by then. So there weren't even any Dominion ships in the Alpha Quadrant.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Based on the footage from the D.S.9. pilot of all the battles scenes at Wolf 359, I think I see a Nebula class ship and I think I even see an Ambassador class as well.


I don't think we'd be able to get a full list of ships using both shows clips because I suspect not ever ship was there when the cube arrived and some straglers came in during the battle. And there might have even been a last-minute "second wave" waiting out of range of the cube's weapons, that might have come in as the battle was being lost. Just some thoughts.

 

[Dukhat]

Wasn't there a mention early on in TNG, before "The Best of Both Worlds", that there were only something like six sister ships?

Actually, there are only six known Galaxy class ship names: The Galaxy, the Enterprise, the Yamato, the Odyssey, the Venture, and the Challenger. And since none of them were at Wolf 359, it stands to reason that there were no Galaxies at Wolf 359.

Hanson was supposed to be on a Galaxy Class ship at Wolf 359, but I don't know if that made it to the televised version.

Wasn't that a new Nebula-class ship he was suppose to be on?

Whatever ship Hanson was on, he had a Red Alert graphic behind him straight out of the TMP era. So I doubt he was supposed to be on a Galaxy. More likely he was on the Excelsior class Melbourne.

Based on the footage from the D.S.9. pilot of all the battles scenes at Wolf 359, I think I see a Nebula class ship and I think I even see an Ambassador class as well.

The Nebula class Bellerophon and the Ambassador class Yamaguchi were in the battle in "Emissary."

I don't think we'd be able to get a full list of ships using both shows clips because I suspect not ever ship was there when the cube arrived and some straglers came in during the battle. And there might have even been a last-minute "second wave" waiting out of range of the cube's weapons, that might have come in as the battle was being lost. Just some thoughts.

All we know is that 40 ships in total were sent to the battle, and 39 of them were destroyed. Since the Ahwahnee reappears later in the tachyon grid in "Redemption," it stands to reason that it was the ship that escaped destruction.

 

[Anwar]

The Melbourne was the first ship destroyed at Wolf 359 (it was that Excelsior the Cube blasts the saucer right off), so I doubt Hanson was commanding that one since we see him communicating with the Enterprise in the middle of the battle in BOBW.

 

[Dukhat]

Probably not, but then again we don't actually know if what we saw in Emissary was the exact beginning of the battle, or just some point during it, since we didn't see all 40 ships, only six.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Since the Ahwahnee reappears later in the tachyon grid in "Redemption," it stands to reason that it was the ship that escaped destruction.

Although if you want to get technical...the Ahwahnee destroyed at Wolf 359 had the number NCC-73620 (it's on the studio model), whereas the one in "Redemption II" was listed on status displays as NCC-71620.

I've always thought that the ship which survived Wolf 359 was the (Nebula-class) Endeavour, since its captain made logs about his experience fighting the Borg. Bit hard to do if your ship is destroyed and you are dead.

And even if the two Ahwahnees were supposed to be the same ship - Starfleet could simply have recovered the hulk and decided to salvage it later. Thus it could have been destroyed and then later rebuilt.

 

[Dukhat]

Since the Ahwahnee reappears later in the tachyon grid in "Redemption," it stands to reason that it was the ship that escaped destruction.

Although if you want to get technical...the Ahwahnee destroyed at Wolf 359 had the number NCC-73620 (it's on the studio model), whereas the one in "Redemption II" was listed on status displays as NCC-71620.

I've always thought that the ship which survived Wolf 359 was the (Nebula-class) Endeavour, since its captain made logs about his experience fighting the Borg. Bit hard to do if your ship is destroyed and you are dead.

And even if the two Ahwahnees were supposed to be the same ship - Starfleet could simply have recovered the hulk and decided to salvage it later. Thus it could have been destroyed and then later rebuilt.

While the Endeavour was mentioned as having fought the Borg, it wasn't mentioned that the battle was at Wolf 359. If it wasn't there, then it could have certainly escaped and its captain spoken of his exploits later.

As for the Ahwahnee, from what I understand the 73620 registry was a mistake, as it would have been too high for a ship built around that time, so Okuda changed the registry (as he'd done for countless other ships) to something more suitable. But it was supposed to be the same ship.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

While the Endeavour was mentioned as having fought the Borg, it wasn't mentioned that the battle was at Wolf 359. If it wasn't there, then it could have certainly escaped and its captain spoken of his exploits later.

True, they didn't specifically say that the Endeavour was at Wolf 359, but I find it most likely that it was; if Starfleet had any other major engagements against the Borg, we would have known about it...