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Do Submarines make sense in the Trek universe?

Indeed. Hence my reference to the Daystrom Institute fans site which gave some speculative figures that might help in that endeavor. I couldn't find a more official source right off the bat. Maybe you'll have better luck :techman:

Well, unless you stop and think about this:

Ships are made of metal, they contains heavy machinery, they contain passengers and cargo yet they don't sink, they float very well, even in case of very bad weather.

Why do you think that is?

The downward force of their gravity is equal to the fluid density of water, allowing it to float. The distribution of pressure as well as its density allow it to float.

A BoP's weight distribution over its shape do not seem conducive to floating.
You'll have to do better than that.
 
Well, unless you stop and think about this:

Ships are made of metal, they contains heavy machinery, they contain passengers and cargo yet they don't sink, they float very well, even in case of very bad weather.

Why do you think that is?

The downward force of their gravity is equal to the fluid density of water, allowing it to float. The distribution of pressure as well as its density allow it to float.

A BoP's weight distribution over its shape do not seem conducive to floating.
You'll have to do better than that.

Why?
 
You'll have to do better than that.

Why?

Because that's not very convincing.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything in this regard. I simply I don't think that a BoP would float, or float very well, based upon speculation on where the weight is distributed, and possible density.

I have no numbers to back it up, and quite honestly, am not invested enough to try and figure out the density, volume, or buoyancy figures to demonstrate one way or the other,

Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. :shrug:
 

Because that's not very convincing.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything in this regard. I simply I don't think that a BoP would float, or float very well, based upon speculation on where the weight is distributed, and possible density.

I have no numbers to back it up, and quite honestly, am not invested enough to try and figure out the density, volume, or buoyancy figures to demonstrate one way or the other,

Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you. :shrug:

It's obvious that you don't know the answer, yet you'll give your "educated" opinion as if it was worth anything. I don't know either but at least I don't say that I can tell from its shape if it will float or not, when it is absurd since the shape has nothing to do with it. It could have the shape of an anchor or a flatiron and it still could float if it's density was lower than that of water. Since Archimedes people of education know that the only thing that makes something float is its density in relation to water. You pretend to know otherwise.
 
It's obvious that you don't know the answer, yet you'll give your "educated" opinion as if it was worth anything. I don't know either but at least I don't say that I can tell from its shape if it will float or not, when it is absurd since the shape has nothing to do with it. It could have the shape of an anchor or a flatiron and it still could float if it's density was lower than that of water. Since Archimedes people of education know that the only thing that makes something float is its density in relation to water. You pretend to know otherwise.

Why are you so hostile? Knock it off.

You're arguing about a fake ship.
 
It's obvious that you don't know the answer, yet you'll give your "educated" opinion as if it was worth anything. I don't know either but at least I don't say that I can tell from its shape if it will float or not, when it is absurd since the shape has nothing to do with it. It could have the shape of an anchor or a flatiron and it still could float if it's density was lower than that of water. Since Archimedes people of education know that the only thing that makes something float is its density in relation to water. You pretend to know otherwise.

Why are you so hostile? Knock it off.

You're arguing about a fake ship.

I am sorry. I know I get too excited about things that shouldn't matter. It's a flaw of mine. I am working on it though.
 
in ST4 the Bird of Prey sank because was filled with water: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvh/ch16/tvh0940.jpg

Maybe it could have floated if id hadn't hit the water at speed like it did. What can't be assumed is that a spaceship (emphasis: SPACEship) can submerge and even operate under water just because it is airtight.

A real-world jet plane is airtight and is not supposed to be sumberged either.
 
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