Is it possible?

[Horizons96]

Again, our world is gradually dividing into more countries, not fewer.

This isn't about the quantity of specific nations, it's about the way in which they are governed or managed administratively.

Even in Earth's global government in 24th century Star Trek canon, individual countries still continue to have their own identities and particular trademark cultures, but they are governed and represented by a global body, and importantly people's identities are most represented by their world, and the inherent diversity therein. The EU for example is a singular entity. It has (or is supposed to have) a single currency etc, and yet the individual countries in the EU still retain (most of) their identities. Global government doesn't automatically equal cultural homogenization.

The goal of the powerful internationalists in recent history is that of world government - and this has given some people in the world cause for concern. This is, to an extent understandable; giving up much of the autonomy of your beloved nation state to a single, centralized global force must be a daunting prospect to some.

But global governance and a United Earth is a given. It is a most necessary next step for human kind. We just need to never lose sight of our humanity, especially during the birth-pains of such a system, and the crises which are needed to give rise to it.

"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
(David Rockefeller, Memoirs 2002)

"It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go... We are living in the end of the sovereign states... In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish... Countless people... will hate the new world order... and will die protesting against it."
(H.G. Wells, The New World Order 1940)

 

[kirkfan]

I am convinced that it will happen. The question is: will it happen soon enough to avoid our destruction? I am not so sure about that.

 

[Horizons96]

I am convinced that it will happen. The question is: will it happen soon enough to avoid our destruction? I am not so sure about that.

It depends on which way you look at it, there may very well be a measure of 'destruction', in order for the metamorphosis of the old system into the new system to occur.

Order out of chaos.

Cochrane's first warp capable craft was most aptly named.

 

[Push The Button]

If the one-world government takes the form of a western style liberal democracy, I'm all for it.

 

[kirkfan]

One thing's for sure, there are problems that can only be solved at the planetary level. The protection and preservation of what will be left of nature is one of them. There's also the possibility of ending war once and for all. War is such a costly business that ending it would save us money (in the form or resources ) even we spend much effort to do it.

 

[Green Shirt]

Something that would cause people to believe it's more profitable to come together as one than stay apart.

You hit it right on the head - Profitable.

Sad to say, but no real change will come about until those in charge find a way to line their pockets.

 

[kirkfan]

Something that would cause people to believe it's more profitable to come together as one than stay apart.

You hit it right on the head - Profitable.

Sad to say, but no real change will come about until those in charge find a way to line their pockets.

Like the ferengi say: "Peace is good for business."

 

[T'Girl]

If the one-world government takes the form of a western style liberal democracy, I'm all for it.

One of the problems with the whole "one world government" concept is you really don't know what you're going to get.

Take a random government today, now enlarge it and put it (and it's laws) in charge of the planet.

It's a crap shoot.

 

[kirkfan]

If the one-world government takes the form of a western style liberal democracy, I'm all for it.

One of the problems with the whole "one world government" concept is you really don't know what you're going to get.

Take a random government today, now enlarge it and put it (and it's laws) in charge of the planet.

It's a crap shoot.

Not really, the super entity is usually a reflection of its smaller parts. Just as the USA is not radically different from each of its states.

 

[velour]

The goal of the powerful internationalists in recent history is that of world government - and this has given some people in the world cause for concern. This is, to an extent understandable; giving up much of the autonomy of your beloved nation state to a single, centralized global force must be a daunting prospect to some.

The idea of an all-powerful global government should be a cause for concern, especially considering the way the world is today.

There are too many cultures and regimes in the world today that do not believe in freedom of expression, freedom of conscience, minority rights, women's rights, individual liberties, free enterprise and other liberties that we in the US and the West take for granted.

I would not want to live under a global government where those cultures and regimes can impose their oppressive values. They are numerous and can probably outvote those who prefer western civilization.

Take one example, there are a large number of people who believe in an ideology that demands that a caliphate be imposed on the entire world. And they also believe in blasphemy (censorship) laws that should be applied worldwide. The world would be turned upside down as we know it if they should win the day.

For the time being -- and probably for the foreseeable future -- it's better that nations form coalitions or alliances on an ad hoc basis to achieve whatever goal that they mutually agree to.

I am convinced that it will happen. The question is: will it happen soon enough to avoid our destruction? I am not so sure about that.

It depends on which way you look at it, there may very well be a measure of 'destruction', in order for the metamorphosis of the old system into the new system to occur.

Order out of chaos.

Cochrane's first warp capable craft was most aptly named.

Beware of people who offer the world "order", like Khan and Landru. You'll get order but not much else.

 

[Lance]

The supposition, largely unspoken, in Star Trek history is that Earth went through some kind of holocaust, something that was large enough to finally cause humanity as a whole to look themselves in the eye and say "Jebus, we went too far".

Another theory is that the Star Trek universe as we understand it to be is, in fact, an alternative to our own... the universe that we're living in right now is the one that will eventually become the so-called "mirror" universe.

 

[kirkfan]

The supposition, largely unspoken, in Star Trek history is that Earth went through some kind of holocaust, something that was large enough to finally cause humanity as a whole to look themselves in the eye and say "Jebus, we went too far".

Another theory is that the Star Trek universe as we understand it to be is, in fact, an alternative to our own... the universe that we're living in right now is the one that will eventually become the so-called "mirror" universe.

Assuming it even exists the ST universe is definitely an alternate to ours. We never had eugenic wars, did we?

 

[Horizons96]

Assuming it even exists the ST universe is definitely an alternate to ours. We never had eugenic wars, did we?

The Prime Star Trek universe is important to us because it shows us ways we can be, that the power and potential for humanity to be something greater exists if we are willing to work hard for it, not just in a labour intensive sense but in a philosophical sense also.

The tenets and commandments on the Georgia Guidestones have always reminded me of some of the things and changes made during 21st century Trek universe. People should check out the stones, and their mysterious history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

 

[kirkfan]

Assuming it even exists the ST universe is definitely an alternate to ours. We never had eugenic wars, did we?

The Prime Star Trek universe is important to us because it shows us ways we can be, that the power and potential for humanity to be something greater exists if we are willing to work hard for it, not just in a labour intensive sense but in a philosophical sense also.

The tenets and commandments on the Georgia Guidestones have always reminded me of some of the things and changes made during 21st century Trek universe. People should check out the stones, and their mysterious history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

That's interesting. I didn't know about these.

 

[T'Girl]

The supposition, largely unspoken, in Star Trek history is that Earth went through some kind of holocaust, something that was large enough to finally cause humanity as a whole to look themselves in the eye and say "Jebus, we went too far".

According to Troi and LaForge (in FC) it was the combination of Cochrane's engine and meeting the Vulcans that result in a profound change in Humanity, and not some "holocaust."

While the third world war was significant, it wasn't the big "thingy" that caused Humanity to advance. Given the 112 year separation, the 3rd WW didn't trigger the creation of the United Earth either.

 

[kirkfan]

The supposition, largely unspoken, in Star Trek history is that Earth went through some kind of holocaust, something that was large enough to finally cause humanity as a whole to look themselves in the eye and say "Jebus, we went too far".

According to Troi and LaForge (in FC) it was the combination of Cochrane's engine and meeting the Vulcans that result in a profound change in Humanity, and not some "holocaust."

While the third world war was significant, it wasn't the big "thingy" that caused Humanity to advance. Given the 112 year separation, the 3rd WW didn't trigger the creation of the United Earth either.

There were also the Eugenics Wars in the 90s that triggered some thinking as well. It was a long process.

 

[T'Girl]

Personal preference. I would want Humanity to change based on what was in front of us, something we were reaching for.

As opposed to what was behind us, something we were running from.

The promise of the future, not the horror of the past.

 

[kirkfan]

Personal preference. I would want Humanity to change based on what was in front of us, something we were reaching for.

As opposed to what was behind us, something we were running from.

The promise of the future, not the horror of the past.

That's called the carrot and the stick, they usually work well together.

 

[T'Girl]

Okay, I can see the promise of the future being the carrot. But I'm sorry, what is it that you see as "the stick?"

 

[eyeresist]

Obviously, fear of repeating the horrors of the past.