"Agent Carter" season one discussion and spoilers
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OK, so I'm thinking that the Russian troops in Finow were exposed to the "Item 17" gas without the knowledge or consent of Howard Stark, which caused the Russians to attack and kill each other, just as the theater goers did. This is what caused the conflict between Stark and the recently deceased General.
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I wonder if Howard really did invent it, then, or took it to keep it out of the wrong hands.
Good theory!
I am also concerned that while they found the test tube in the spherical container, they seemed to have not considered the test tube itself could have been switched and Roger's blood stolen.
Anyone else who's also seen Sernity could easily also come to that conclusion.
^ Yeah, I thought that was fairly self evident. The only mystery at this point is how people who supposedly died at Finow ended up alive and well and with their voice boxes cut out.
I'm thinking the gas was designed with some sort of medical application in mind and the psychotic rage is an unintended side-effect. It would certainly fit the pattern since all of Stark's other "bad babies" that we've seen to date either don't work as they were intended, or they work *far* too well.
Hmm....insanity inducing resurrection compound...GH-001 perhaps?
Could also be a link to the eleven vials of Steve's blood the army apparently squandered is just a few short years and even to Banner's version of Erskin's formula?
I'm thinking the gas was designed with some sort of medical application in mind and the psychotic rage is an unintended side-effect. It would certainly fit the pattern since all of Stark's other "bad babies" that we've seen to date either don't work as they were intended, or they work *far* too well.
Hmm....insanity inducing resurrection compound...GH-001 perhaps?
Could also be a link to the eleven vials of Steve's blood the army apparently squandered is just a few short years and even to Banner's version of Erskin's formula?
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Immortus claims to have jimmied the Formula (or the vitarays?) and also to have made the adamantium shield.
Neither of which 1940s scientists could figure out how to replicate.
Might have been Kang?
Neither of which 1940s scientists could figure out how to replicate.
Might have been Kang?
Unfortunately he had a target painted on him because of the source character.
Did anyone notice Ivchenko killed Dooley the same way Dr. Faustus originally killed Sharon Carter?
Not necessarily. Sometimes these adaptations take a character name from the comics and do something completely different with them -- like Agents of SHIELD's Lance Hunter, a rough-edged mercenary whose comics namesake is the dapper, John Steed-like director of the British counterpart of SHIELD. Or like Felicity Smoak on Arrow, who's got nothing in common with her Firestorm namesake beyond being involved with computers. In cases like that, I suspect the point is not so much to be faithful to the source as simply to let Marvel or DC claim ownership and control over the TV characters through the technicality of the reused names. That way, they don't have to pay the showrunners a royalty if they reuse the characters somewhere else.
The source character for Dooley is a bit player whose one claim to notoriety was forcing She-Hulk to submit to a public strip search -- and then being killed by a horde of sentient cockroaches. It's pretty clear to me that the makers of this show drew nothing from that character beyond his name. So if they'd wanted this Roger Dooley to live, there's no reason that couldn't have happened.
True! But I'd say it was at least an implied target. Or at least more of a target than you'd see on a character named, say, Timothy Dugan. 
^That's presupposing that audiences have even heard of Roger Dooley. I'd certainly never heard of him before; I've just read about him on comics sites talking about the sources for the show.
And there are enough examples of characters dying in the source material and surviving in the adaptation that TV Tropes has a whole page for them.
And there are enough examples of characters dying in the source material and surviving in the adaptation that TV Tropes has a whole page for them.
I figured he was a goner just because it had to be Peggy leading the charge against Leviathan. She is the one who co-founds S.H.I.E.L.D., not Dooley.
Makes sense. Maybe the idea of this arc was to show the SSR basically being torn down and leaving a vacuum to be filled by SHIELD.
That's one office.
What a shitty tinpot operation if they only have one office in the entire world.
What a shitty tinpot operation if they only have one office in the entire world.
Yeah, I don't get the impression that was the only office. In fact, there's clearly at least an office in Washington DC too.
This is off of discussion of the last episode but still about Peggy Carter. In CATWS when Steve was in the museum, they showed an interview of Peggy from 1953 and she said the he had rescued the man that would become her husband.
Any of these guys? I've been wondering about Sousa or Thompson, but I don't think MCU Cap fought in the Pacific Theater, so I don't think it's Thompson.
Another thing about Thompson, does anyone hear Flash unsaid when they say his name? I know, it's a common name and it couldn't be Peter's friend, but it could be a grandfather.
Any of these guys? I've been wondering about Sousa or Thompson, but I don't think MCU Cap fought in the Pacific Theater, so I don't think it's Thompson.
Another thing about Thompson, does anyone hear Flash unsaid when they say his name? I know, it's a common name and it couldn't be Peter's friend, but it could be a grandfather.
He's been enough a jerk to be related to Flash.
The FBI had 2 Offices in 1946 with less than 30 people in each office.
Well, yeah, of course I'm not suggesting that the SSR is just these few guys. I'm saying more that from a story standpoint, removing the established SSR characters is meant to clear the field for SHIELD, using this cast as a microcosm for the greater whole as fiction often does.
And the other, more fundamental way in which the miniseries has shown the breakdown of the SSR is in the demonstration that its methods and policies just aren't working anymore, that it's been mostly ineffectual at adapting to a postwar existence, so that something new is needed to take its place.
And Sousa was evasive when Thompson asked him where he picked up the shrapnal.
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