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"Agent Carter" season one discussion and spoilers

I've realized something I'm not happy about:
They showed Sousa in the dentist's office reading the orders for Peggy Carter's assassination. They made sure we got a good look at those orders as he read them, the same orders we already saw Dottie write down last week. Now, why would they show that scene? If he were a good guy, he'd just say "Hey, Peggy, they want to kill you," and we already knew that, so then the scene would serve no purpose. The only reason that scene would be included is if Sousa's working for Leviathan and now intends to carry out the hit on Peggy. Which is a real bummer, if true.

My read on that scene was that it was to help sell the idea of Sousa coming back around to believing Peggy. Makeing his acceptance seem credible is especially important since he was the one that outed her and was the most stung by her apparant betrayal. He saw with his own eyes a kill order against her made by the enemy, ergo she's telling the truth.

That was my way of thinking as well. Besides Dottie tried to kill Sousa, so I can't agree with Christopher's speculation.
 
Another fine episode. Great ending for the chief, but I'm sorry to see Shia Whigham go. I loved him in Boardwalk Empire and I was thrilled he was a part of the cast here. Hopefully, he'll find another show to work on.

I've realized something I'm not happy about:
They showed Sousa in the dentist's office reading the orders for Peggy Carter's assassination. They made sure we got a good look at those orders as he read them, the same orders we already saw Dottie write down last week. Now, why would they show that scene? If he were a good guy, he'd just say "Hey, Peggy, they want to kill you," and we already knew that, so then the scene would serve no purpose. The only reason that scene would be included is if Sousa's working for Leviathan and now intends to carry out the hit on Peggy. Which is a real bummer, if true.

My read on that scene was that it was to help sell the idea of Sousa coming back around to believing Peggy. Makeing his acceptance seem credible is especially important since he was the one that outed her and was the most stung by her apparant betrayal. He saw with his own eyes a kill order against her made by the enemy, ergo she's telling the truth.
That's how I read the scene, too. I'm not worried about anything sinister from that scene.
 
^I hope you're right. It seems to me, though, that we'd already seen Sousa tell Thompson that he believed Peggy, before they split up to search the rooms. So again, if that was the scene's purpose, it was redundant, just telling us something we already knew. So I don't think that was it.
 
^I hope you're right. It seems to me, though, that we'd already seen Sousa tell Thompson that he believed Peggy, before they split up to search the rooms. So again, if that was the scene's purpose, it was redundant, just telling us something we already knew. So I don't think that was it.
Sousa hasn't done anything that remotely suggests he's a Leviathan agent. In the same episode, he fights other Leviathan agents when there's nobody else around.
 
Q: Where did Chief Dooley take his vacation?

I've realized something I'm not happy about:
They showed Sousa in the dentist's office reading the orders for Peggy Carter's assassination. They made sure we got a good look at those orders as he read them, the same orders we already saw Dottie write down last week. Now, why would they show that scene? If he were a good guy, he'd just say "Hey, Peggy, they want to kill you," and we already knew that, so then the scene would serve no purpose. The only reason that scene would be included is if Sousa's working for Leviathan and now intends to carry out the hit on Peggy. Which is a real bummer, if true.

My read on that scene was that it was to help sell the idea of Sousa coming back around to believing Peggy. Makeing his acceptance seem credible is especially important since he was the one that outed her and was the most stung by her apparant betrayal. He saw with his own eyes a kill order against her made by the enemy, ergo she's telling the truth.
That's how I read the scene, too. I'm not worried about anything sinister from that scene.
Fourthed.
 
^I hope you're right. It seems to me, though, that we'd already seen Sousa tell Thompson that he believed Peggy, before they split up to search the rooms. So again, if that was the scene's purpose, it was redundant, just telling us something we already knew. So I don't think that was it.

Well, I saw where you were coming from, anyway. At least a few seconds I was wondering why Sousa had those. I'm a bit surprised Dot just left it there but maybe she never expected anyone to search the building.
 
Q: Where did Chief Dooley take his vacation?
A: A magical place.

Well, I saw where you were coming from, anyway. At least a few seconds I was wondering why Sousa had those. I'm a bit surprised Dot just left it there but maybe she never expected anyone to search the building.

I had the same thought too for the first few seconds. "Oh no, is Sousa getting orders to kill Peggy?" But that doesn't make much sense, for example, if you're in the army, and you hear someone else get some orders, it's not like you follow those orders too, you wait for your own orders.

I'm fairly certain those were just shown to eliminate all doubt about Peggy being a traitor.


Plus, if Ivchenko wanted to tell Sousa to kill Carter, he had ample opportunity to do it face to face.
 
Plus, if Ivchenko wanted to tell Sousa to kill Carter, he had ample opportunity to do it face to face.

I wasn't assuming he intended to -- just thinking that maybe Sousa would come across Dottie's discarded orders and thus be triggered to carry them out himself. Or something. You raise some valid objections to that, though.

Now that I think about it, I suppose Sousa finding out that Dottie has specific orders to kill Peggy (rather than just being generally evil and Leviathany) could be a setup for Sousa saving Peggy from Dottie next week.
 
Crap. I didn't like Dooley getting killed. He was a good guy and, despite his initial vendetta against Stark, was coming around to the truth because of his basic honesty. And after all the ups and downs, this looks like it really cements Peggy's standing with the SSR-- Dooley asked her to get who was responsible. He didn't turn to Thompson or Sousa-- he turned to Peggy.

This was a really good, exciting, and tense episode. Dottie is quite a super-soldier herself and I'm pretty convinced at this point that Ivchenko's ring is an artifact. I just don't understand why he made that other agent kill himself after getting information about the exits. I expected him to escape at that point. And why didn't anyone question the other agent's absence, given that he was supposed to be keeping an eye on Ivchenko? Dooley should have been wondering where he was.
 
Can he turn it off?

He makes people feel/seem stoned.

While they're stoned, they can't pass for normal.

If it takes hours for it to wear off, then the lad was a liability.
 
I assumed that he induced the agent to suicide in the last episode because once he's out of the Doctor's influence, he'd retain the memory of being controlled and thus blow his cover. As for the chief, well in one move he takes out his enemy's leadership and a swath of agents & resources (or rather would have had the chief not jumped out the window) and throw them into chaos while he makes his escape.
 
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I loved the little touch of how his son hammering the bird house together in the dream became the agents pounding on his office. That's happened IRL so many times - a RL sound filters into a dream and wakes you..
 
Can he turn it off?

He makes people feel/seem stoned.

While they're stoned, they can't pass for normal.

If it takes hours for it to wear off, then the lad was a liability.

I assumed that he induced the agent to suicide in the last episode because once he's out of the Doctor's influence, he'd retain the memory of being controlled and thus blow his cover.
Okay, those are good points.
 
What?

They're afraid of fan fatigue already, that they're only willing to air one show at a time?

Pussies.

DC has Constantine, Gotham, Flash and Arrow on at the same time and only wants more. Well, at leat after they cancel Constantine they want more.
 
Well, only Flash and Arrow are in the same universe, so it's not entirely the same.

I loved the episode, even if I was sad to see Dooley go.
I don't really think the ring is any kind of magical/technological artifact. I'm think it's just something that he uses to help in his hypnosis, kind of like the old swinging pocket watch.
I am glad that we are going to get Peggy working with the SSR at the end of the season, although it sucks that it came at the cost of Dooley's live. I was kind of surprised when she actually told them about Cap's blood, I figured she would at least keep that secret.
I did love the scene with Peggy and Jarvis breaking the two way mirror in the interregation room.
As for the scene with Sousa seeing Dottie's orders to kill Peggy, I didn't read anything ominous into it. I thought it was just that he was realizing that Dottie was specifically targeting Peggy.
I am curious what the plans are with the gas that made the theater goers go bezerk. I'm assuming that must have been some kind of a test for a bigger attack.
 
I don't really think the ring is any kind of magical/technological artifact. I'm think it's just something that he uses to help in his hypnosis, kind of like the old swinging pocket watch.

That's not how hypnosis works. Even in fuzzy comic book fantasy logic, a swinging watch is supposed to help induce the subject into a suggestive or receptive state (though IIRC a metronome is the preferred method), it doesn't directly affect the hypnotist directly at all. Even so, they way it's usually done is to make the subject focus on the item, which at no point happens with the ring.

He just touches/rotates the thing, it emits a sound (diegetically or otherwise, it's not 100% clear) and he's able to mesmerise someone with little effort. Clearly the ring is doing *something* unusual. Whether it's magical (read: advanced alien tech) or something Leviathan made themselves is yet to be seen.
 
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