Number of Star Fleet officers on DS9

[T'Girl]

It's not at all clear than transporters are free for unlimited use for the general population of earth.

... it still seems that beaming thousands of miles away from where you are is very common and happens very often.

It not that transporting isn't generally available, it's that it isn't free of charge.

I don't get why Sisko being culturally aware and using the phrase 'our people' is such an issue.

Because the White characters never do it?

Early on Picard displays a degree of French nationalism, but never "White awareness."

Picard points out that Riker and General Custer are countrymen, but not that they're both white.

Kirk never refers to Whites as a group in the presence of Scotty as "our people."

Sisko's statement to Kassity indicate that he does consider Blacks in the future to be a distinct group, which again we never hear from other characters. There no indication that Uhura ever considers herself to be different than her White/Asian/Indian shipmates.

When does LaForge?

 

[Ithekro]

It is true that you cannot unmix. It is also true that Molly can decide to follow one culture more than the other, or identify with one more than the other as she is a Federation citizen. If she decides to identify more with her mother's culture due to her own long black hair, than that is her choice. If she decides to identify with her father's culture that is also her choice. She could ignore both and do something else (she was born on a Starship). But that is her choice.

The Doctor's holo family had one of his children identifying with Klingon culture even though he had no Klingon DNA in his fictonal self.

Sisko's choice was to identify with his African roots, regardless if he has others in his past (which we cannot know as we don't know his family history that far back). There is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

It's not at all clear than transporters are free for unlimited use for the general population of earth.

... it still seems that beaming thousands of miles away from where you are is very common and happens very often.

It not that transporting isn't generally available, it's that it isn't free of charge.
...

You don't know that or more likely it's false.

Just because transporter usage is limited doesn't mean that you have to pay for it.

I can only borrow at most ten items at a time from my local media center but within these limits it's totally free.

 

[T'Girl]

... it isn't free of charge

You don't know that or more likely it's false.

We know that Sisko had to employ transporter credits in order to beam back and forth between San Fransisco and New Orleans.

Now when was it suggested that transporter use is free?

Just because transporter usage is limited doesn't mean that you have to pay for it.

Who says it limited? If you can pay it's likely you can beam as much as you want.

I can only borrow at most ten items at a time from my local media center but within these limits it's totally free.

May I ask what a "local media center" is?

 

[Enabran]

I don't think you can assume that transporter credits are purchased. I think it could very well be the case that each citizen receives a certain amount of credits per month. This number would be based on availability and nothing else. Now if someone didn't want their transporter credits, the may have been allowed to sell them...

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

... it isn't free of charge

You don't know that or more likely it's false.

We know that Sisko had to employ transporter credits in order to beam back and forth between San Fransisco and New Orleans.

Now when was it suggested that transporter use is free?

It doesn't have to be "suggested",it's been said several times that their society doesn't use any money. But even in a society where everything is free of charge, some commodities are limited and therefore one individual has only so much transport credit for one given month. You try to twist everything to make it means what you want but it doesn't work.

Just because transporter usage is limited doesn't mean that you have to pay for it.

Who says it limited? If you can pay it's likely you can beam as much as you want.

It is limited as has been suggested but you don't have to pay for it.

I can only borrow at most ten items at a time from my local media center but within these limits it's totally free.

May I ask what a "local media center" is?

It's like a public library except that you have all sorts of media there. I didn't know if you had a specific word for that so I made up this one.

It's completely free. All you have to do is get there, prove that you live in the city and they give you a card, you can borrow up to ten items at a time for up to one month for each item.

Don't you have anything like this?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I don't think you can assume that transporter credits are purchased. I think it could very well be the case that each citizen receives a certain amount of credits per month.

I would not be surprised if cadets, as part of the "Academy" experience, received fewer credits.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I don't think you can assume that transporter credits are purchased. I think it could very well be the case that each citizen receives a certain amount of credits per month.

I would not be surprised if cadets, as part of the "Academy" experience, received fewer credits.

Nog was able to show up at Jake's Grandfather's restaurant every night, so I doubt the limit was that bad.

 

[tafkats]

It's like a public library except that you have all sorts of media there. I didn't know if you had a specific word for that so I made up this one.

It's completely free. All you have to do is get there, prove that you live in the city and they give you a card, you can borrow up to ten items at a time for up to one month for each item.

Don't you have anything like this?

Our libraries often have a variety of media -- you can usually check out DVDs, CDs, etc., and many of them also offer access to ebooks for all cardholders. In Michigan, you can even check out state park passes.

For some reason, in the U.S. it's mostly school libraries that call themselves media centers. It might be a good idea for some public libraries to start rebranding themselves that way, though...

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

It's like a public library except that you have all sorts of media there. I didn't know if you had a specific word for that so I made up this one.

It's completely free. All you have to do is get there, prove that you live in the city and they give you a card, you can borrow up to ten items at a time for up to one month for each item.

Don't you have anything like this?

Our libraries often have a variety of media -- you can usually check out DVDs, CDs, etc., and many of them also offer access to ebooks for all cardholders. In Michigan, you can even check out state park passes.

For some reason, in the U.S. it's mostly school libraries that call themselves media centers. It might be a good idea for some public libraries to start rebranding themselves that way, though...

It's nice to know that not everything in your country is based on the acquisition of profit. These libraries aren't there for profit, are they?

 

[Ithekro]

Since Starfleet is semi-military in styling, I would assume the amount of time a cadet is allowed to leave the Academy grounds it limited for disipline and other assorted factors. Transporter credits would be something like a Liberty pass for shore leave or time out on the weekends. Sisko used up his early to go home for dinner every night. Most would save theirs up for a few days home rather than a few hours every night.

Nog on the other hand, is a Ferengi. If there was anyone at the Academy who could figure out a way to trade transporter credits and gain enough so he has no problem going to Sisko's for dinner every night, it would be Nog.

 

[tafkats]

It's nice to know that not everything in your country is based on the acquisition of profit. These libraries aren't there for profit, are they?

No, they're publicly funded and just about every community of any appreciable size has at least one.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

It's nice to know that not everything in your country is based on the acquisition of profit. These libraries aren't there for profit, are they?

No, they're publicly funded and just about every community of any appreciable size has at least one.

That's good!

 

[kirkfan]

I think their number increased throughout the series.

 

[T'Girl]

These libraries aren't there for profit, are they?

Not for profit, but neither are they free, they're supported by the tax payers, in some cases donations and the selling of bonds also.

So money is changing hands.

 

[kirkfan]

These libraries aren't there for profit, are they?

Not for profit, but neither are they free, they're supported by the tax payers, in some cases donations and the selling of bonds also.

So money is changing hands.

I am curious. Could you give us one example of something free, in your opinion?

 

[T'Girl]

Drinking from a mountain stream?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Drinking from a mountain stream?

Hopefully not protected by a public trust funded through tax payments?

 

[T'Girl]

I don't think you can assume that transporter credits are purchased. I think it could very well be the case that each citizen receives a certain amount of credits per month.

If transporter use is completely without charge, and availibility is unlimited, why have any "transporter credits" at all?

And if it isn't unlimited for some reason, then everyone would have to have a alternate means of transportation besides the transporter. And some means of paying for that.

 

[kirkfan]

Drinking from a mountain stream?

There's no such thing as a free mountain stream, they're either on someone's property or the government's. So you're either stealing from someone or taking advantage of the government's (aka tax payer's) largess.