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Terry Farrell and DS9 Season 7

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Now, the circumstances of said death, I think we all agree were pretty bad. Placing Change of Heart near the end of the season and letting her die there would have been much better.
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The only problem I have with that is what it does to Worf's character. Could the audience really forgive him for leaving Jadzia to die? I suppose they could still have him come back for her and have her die at the end of the episode, but then he's still at fault for not turning back soon enough.
The episode is designed to make Worf look romantic, ready to sacrifice for love, and not another Starfleet robot who eschews personal commitment for the mission. Maybe it would have been better to show it earlier in the season, but it contributed to DS9' s attention to relationships.

The problem is that there were supposed to be consequences for worf and that we never saw any.
 
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Now, the circumstances of said death, I think we all agree were pretty bad. Placing Change of Heart near the end of the season and letting her die there would have been much better.
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The only problem I have with that is what it does to Worf's character. Could the audience really forgive him for leaving Jadzia to die? I suppose they could still have him come back for her and have her die at the end of the episode, but then he's still at fault for not turning back soon enough.

To me, you're describing exactly why they should have done it. It would have been a risky move for the writers. It would have been even more dramatic. More consequences. More layers of emotion added to these characters. It certainly would have made Worf's DS9 arc more interesting. It would have impacted the dynamic between Worf and the crew, but especially between Worf and Sisko, and Worf and Bashir. It would have been awesome.
 
No, she did that herself. Clips of Jadzia weren't able to be cleared for use in the finale. Apparently she was annoyed that they had used her voice without permission or compensation earlier in the season and put the kibosh on clips for the finale.

Almost. The way I heard it, not long after it happened, was that her agent had filed the complaint about the use of Farrell's voice without clearance earlier in the season, and therefore - because the Screen Actors Guild investigation was still open - clips for the finale could not be used even if Terry Farrell wanted them to be used.

But... she was a very welcome guest at the wrap party that was held at the end final shooting day for Season Seven, so not all bridges had been burned.

It's important to note that, in Farrell's very next role ("Becker"), her character again disappeared unexpectedly when the actress and agent had a salary dispute with the show.
 
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Now, the circumstances of said death, I think we all agree were pretty bad. Placing Change of Heart near the end of the season and letting her die there would have been much better.
...

The only problem I have with that is what it does to Worf's character. Could the audience really forgive him for leaving Jadzia to die? I suppose they could still have him come back for her and have her die at the end of the episode, but then he's still at fault for not turning back soon enough.

To me, you're describing exactly why they should have done it. It would have been a risky move for the writers. It would have been even more dramatic. More consequences. More layers of emotion added to these characters. It certainly would have made Worf's DS9 arc more interesting. It would have impacted the dynamic between Worf and the crew, but especially between Worf and Sisko, and Worf and Bashir. It would have been awesome.

I don't know. After all the efforts made to humanize Worf they would have ruined everything.
 
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Now, the circumstances of said death, I think we all agree were pretty bad. Placing Change of Heart near the end of the season and letting her die there would have been much better.
...

The only problem I have with that is what it does to Worf's character. Could the audience really forgive him for leaving Jadzia to die? I suppose they could still have him come back for her and have her die at the end of the episode, but then he's still at fault for not turning back soon enough.

To me, you're describing exactly why they should have done it. It would have been a risky move for the writers. It would have been even more dramatic. More consequences. More layers of emotion added to these characters. It certainly would have made Worf's DS9 arc more interesting. It would have impacted the dynamic between Worf and the crew, but especially between Worf and Sisko, and Worf and Bashir. It would have been awesome.
However, it's been done ... overdone in ST. Dax would just be another "Edith Keeler [who] must die" or Nella Darren. Perhaps Worf's grief would be interesting, but it would have been there if his decisions played a role therein or not.


^^There's a reason no ST: Captain Worf series is forthcoming.

Indeed, he was made ambassador of the Federation to the Klingon Empire.

Presumably ambassadors are not Starfleet?
 
Presumably ambassadors are not Starfleet?

Nemesis screws everything up by having him back at his post on the Enterprise.

Having a combat-hardenned, strategically wise ambassador as part of a major diplomatic mission would be silly,don't you think?:rommie:
Maybe he needed a vacation from his ambassadorial hard work, imagine how difficult it would be on him, having to talk to people for hours on end without smashing anything or beating someone up.
 
tafkats said:
Your employer doesn't provide any ongoing professional development?

No, I actually improve at my job because I want to and am motivated to do so. I learn from those around me that are better than me at my job, Terry Farrell certainly had the same opportunity considering most of the actors on DS9 were much better than her.

It's good that you do so. However, even if yours does not, many employers care enough to invest in their employees through extra training, coaching, workshops, and other forms of professional development. The idea is not unprecedented.

I think what we're seeing here is a phenomenon that pops up from time to time in fandom: An actor who decides to leave the show that's garnered the fans' affection -- or who just doesn't seem grateful enough for the privilege -- must become the object of derision. We see the exact same kind of snide remarks about Denise Crosby's post-TNG career. There's also a portion of the Buffy fandom that's still mad at Sarah Michelle Gellar for not being, I don't know, a big enough fan, or responsive enough to their affections, or something.
 
The only problem I have with that is what it does to Worf's character. Could the audience really forgive him for leaving Jadzia to die? I suppose they could still have him come back for her and have her die at the end of the episode, but then he's still at fault for not turning back soon enough.

To me, you're describing exactly why they should have done it. It would have been a risky move for the writers. It would have been even more dramatic. More consequences. More layers of emotion added to these characters. It certainly would have made Worf's DS9 arc more interesting. It would have impacted the dynamic between Worf and the crew, but especially between Worf and Sisko, and Worf and Bashir. It would have been awesome.
However, it's been done ... overdone in ST. Dax would just be another "Edith Keeler [who] must die" or Nella Darren. Perhaps Worf's grief would be interesting, but it would have been there if his decisions played a role therein or not.

True, a similar scenario has been done episodically. But not with main characters who had an established romantic relationship and existing friendships with others in the main cast. And not in a way that we could see the ramifications as the series moves forward. And not with a character whose memories could come back in a totally new person (if timed correctly). Of course, we'll never know whether the aftermath of the "she's dead Jim" version would be more compelling or not since it never happened. And even then, it would be subjective. ;)
 
tafkats said:
I think what we're seeing here is a phenomenon that pops up from time to time in fandom: An actor who decides to leave the show that's garnered the fans' affection -- or who just doesn't seem grateful enough for the privilege -- must become the object of derision. We see the exact same kind of snide remarks about Denise Crosby's post-TNG career. There's also a portion of the Buffy fandom that's still mad at Sarah Michelle Gellar for not being, I don't know, a big enough fan, or responsive enough to their affections, or something.

I think you're reading too much into it. All I'm saying is that I don't think she's a very good actress. She didn't get much help from the writers, but I don't think Shakespeare, Dante, George Lucas - anyone - could have written Jadzia Dax in a way that Terry Farrell could have played effectively.

Knowing that she demanded more money for crappy work just makes watching her performances worse.
 
On the other side of the coin, when it does rear it's fugly head, fan entitlement has never been as egregious as it is today.
 
If it's not meant to be watched and processed, it shouldn't have been produced in the first place. 'Fan entitlement' is what happens when you decide your imagination is interesting enough that it should be published for all the world to see and judge.
 
I think they should have played the Trill card a lot earlier. I was an interesting plot twist if after two seasons for example Dax was played by someone else, someone different and then maybe two or three seasons later by still another person. Kinda like they did with the Trill on TNG except that they did it in only one episode instead of a whole series.
 
You're welcome to that opinion of course, but it doesn't change or negate the fact that there are other, far more unreasonable and unhinged fans out there who expect their every whim and dream presented to them on a silver platter. That particular mindset, I've observed, has only expanded in the past few years and it gives all of fandom a bad name.
 
doubleohfive said:
...has only expanded in the past few years...

It's been happening since we first figured out how to draw stick figures on cave walls.

"Leg too long!!!" "Three tusks on mammoth too many!"

I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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