Re-doing Voyager

[Jax]

Year of Hell as a trilogy would of been nice and to kick start a season with (Season 5). Due to how extreme the damage to Voyager was + Tuvok blind, a reset button needs to be used but it would not take away how dam good the story was. I would of liked the ship showing some battle damage & general wear/tear over the 7 years but I don't want it like BSG.

I would of used the Borg Civil War started in Unimatrix Zero as the final act to get the crew home. The Borg Transwarp Hub should of been something in construction (only 1 of them in that particular region of space for a reason like a subspace breach located there or something) that if finished would allow the Borg to assimlate the entire Quadrant with ease including the Federation. A Borg armada of free drones + Voyager with Borg upgrades in one last stand to literally save the Galaxy + have the real Janeway use herself in a similar way that her endgame future counterpoint did to use that virus to destory the Queen & Nexus and sacrifice herself to get her crew home...

Also the last few minutes should of been used to show the crew actually on Earth remembering the people who never made it home not the last shot we actually got.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Year of Hell as a trilogy would of been nice and to kick start a season with (Season 5). Due to how extreme the damage to Voyager was + Tuvok blind, a reset button needs to be used but it would not take away how dam good the story was. I would of liked the ship showing some battle damage & general wear/tear over the 7 years but I don't want it like BSG.

I would of used the Borg Civil War started in Unimatrix Zero as the final act to get the crew home. The Borg Transwarp Hub should of been something in construction (only 1 of them in that particular region of space for a reason like a subspace breach located there or something) that if finished would allow the Borg to assimlate the entire Quadrant with ease including the Federation. A Borg armada of free drones + Voyager with Borg upgrades in one last stand to literally save the Galaxy + have the real Janeway use herself in a similar way that her endgame future counterpoint did to use that virus to destory the Queen & Nexus and sacrifice herself to get her crew home...

Also the last few minutes should of been used to show the crew actually on Earth remembering the people who never made it home not the last shot we actually got.

Actually, they went a little too far in the year of hell (likely because it didn't matter since they were about to hit the reset button). The ship looked like something they got in a spacial junkyard, completely un-salvageable. I know they blinded Tuvok and scarred Janeway but I am surprised they didn't take advantage of the occasion to kill a few regulars as they normally do in alternate time lines (e.g. Yesterday's Enterprise, Twilight, All the mirror universe episodes on DS9).

 

[Dexter Remmick]

I would keep the Holodeck use to a bare minimum. I get they need the diversion, but I'm sure there are other ways that wouldn't be a large waste of resources.

Keep the seasons short with quality production value. 3-6 2hr episodes.

I didn't think there were that many holodeck plots. I bet DS9 has more, with all the Vic fontaine episodes and all that, even though they call them holosuites on DS9.

Between Harry and Tom's Captain Proton to the crew's escapades in Fair Haven, the Doctor's family, 7's social lessons, Hirogen Nazi fun, Janeway's ode to Jane Eyre, Neelix's beach parties, B'Elanna and her self harm, and the Maquis mutiny,there were far too many hours spent in that room.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

I would keep the Holodeck use to a bare minimum. I get they need the diversion, but I'm sure there are other ways that wouldn't be a large waste of resources.

Keep the seasons short with quality production value. 3-6 2hr episodes.

I didn't think there were that many holodeck plots. I bet DS9 has more, with all the Vic fontaine episodes and all that, even though they call them holosuites on DS9.

Between Harry and Tom's Captain Proton to the crew's escapades in Fair Haven, the Doctor's family, 7's social lessons, Hirogen Nazi fun, Janeway's ode to Jane Eyre, Neelix's beach parties, B'Elanna and her self harm, and the Maquis mutiny,there were far too many hours spent in that room.

Yeah, you're right. I never realized that there were that many of them, but I don't mind them unlike you so maybe that explains it.

 

[Dukhat]

[Perhaps. But, it also breeds ignorance about a specific population and indicates a lack of concern on the part of the writing staff as to how the character is created.

From what I understand, the writers did have guidance from a Native American source, only to find out later that he wasn't completely legit. That's different from simply not doing any research at all.

There is nothing stereotypical about Chakotay because the blended in so many different tribes (as well as misinformation) in to the character backstory. That is a problem to me.

But for all we know, by the 24th century, Native American culture has blended all those different tribes together into one. That's the beauty of science fiction

 

[Makarov]

This is an easy question. Give more stories to Chakotay, make Tom Paris Locarno, Promote Harry Kim, and give Seven of Nine actual clothes.

 

[Anwar]

The Holodecks aren't any different from how TOS had them go to Nazi World, Gangster World, Western World, Andy Griffith World, etc.

 

[Dexter Remmick]

Yeah, you're right. I never realized that there were that many of them, but I don't mind them unlike you so maybe that explains it.

It's not that I dislike all of them, I just would tone down the filler episodes. Which most were. I enjoyed the Hirogen simulation, as well as the Mutiny episode. Seska was good fun.

I wonder if they were limited to 15 episodes per season, would the holodeck be as large a focus?

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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But for all we know, by the 24th century, Native American culture has blended all those different tribes together into one. That's the beauty of science fiction

That's unlikely, if anything there'll be even more attached to their idiosyncrasies.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

This is an easy question. Give more stories to Chakotay, make Tom Paris Locarno, Promote Harry Kim, and give Seven of Nine actual clothes.

I don't know how calling him Locarno instead of Paris will change anything. After all we all know that it's the same guy, hell it's even the same actor!

As for Seven, they explicitly said that they wanted a borg babe. You don't buy an expensive piece of art and then stick it in a drawer, do you? You showcase it for everyone to see: Especially if you want it to pay for itself.

 

[Richard Baker]

Have Janeway start off as the First Officer and grow to fill the Captains role when he is killed in the first show.
No Neelix or Kes at the beginning, but have a couple of local join the crew the second season.
Have the ship sustain damage and be repaired enroute- add some alien technology to take the place of what was too damaged to repair.
Few Holodeck episodes and more as a way of investigating something instead of entertainment.
Have Voyager arrive home at the beginning of season seven and spend the rest of the season exploring their return, Starfleet learning from what they have encountered on their journey and refitting Voyager for it's next mission.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Have Janeway start off as the First Officer and grow to fill the Captains role when he is killed in the first show.
No Neelix or Kes at the beginning, but have a couple of local join the crew the second season.
Have the ship sustain damage and be repaired enroute- add some alien technology to take the place of what was too damaged to repair.
Few Holodeck episodes and more as a way of investigating something instead of entertainment.
Have Voyager arrive home at the beginning of season seven and spend the rest of the season exploring their return, Starfleet learning from what they have encountered on their journey and refitting Voyager for it's next mission.

You know it would have been fun seeing Voyager becoming progressively a patchwork of different technologies. Sort of what they did with the borg but multiplied by a few dozens.

 

[Anwar]

The real reason they didn't go for the patchwork thing with Voyager (or show much external damage at all) was because back in 1995 it would've been too expensive to keep changing the physical models they were using and too expensive to keep making new CGI models as well (in 1995 terms).

NuBSG got away with it better because by 2003 CGI tech had advanced to the point it was better looking and less expensive.

 

[MacLeod]

I didn't think there were that many holodeck plots. I bet DS9 has more, with all the Vic fontaine episodes and all that, even though they call them holosuites on DS9.

Between Harry and Tom's Captain Proton to the crew's escapades in Fair Haven, the Doctor's family, 7's social lessons, Hirogen Nazi fun, Janeway's ode to Jane Eyre, Neelix's beach parties, B'Elanna and her self harm, and the Maquis mutiny,there were far too many hours spent in that room.

Yeah, you're right. I never realized that there were that many of them, but I don't mind them unlike you so maybe that explains it.

There is nothing overtly wrong with useing the holodeck, like anything you just have to be careful not to overuse it, but the same goes for many things. i.e Transporter accidents, shuttle accidents, spacial anamolies etc...

 

[Lance]

The real reason they didn't go for the patchwork thing with Voyager (or show much external damage at all) was because back in 1995 it would've been too expensive to keep changing the physical models they were using and too expensive to keep making new CGI models as well (in 1995 terms).

The real reason was because of stock footage.

The only way TV Trek in the nineties ever managed to be made within budget was because of extensive use of stock footage, pre-filmed segments (usually made at the time of the pilot) that got used over and over across the whole seven years.

Because the model as shot for "Caretaker" was in peak physical condition, and that footage was needed for the full seven years in order to keep the show coming in on budget, then by it's very nature the ship was always going to be in peak physical condition for the full seven years, no matter what scrapes the ship may have ended up in.

Wheeling out the physical model every year and filming a fresh batch of fly-by shots for the sake of showing the damage sustained by Voyager was simply too cost prohibitive on any kind of long-term basis.

 

[Dukhat]

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But for all we know, by the 24th century, Native American culture has blended all those different tribes together into one. That's the beauty of science fiction

That's unlikely, if anything there'll be even more attached to their idiosyncrasies.

No one can predict what will happen to Native American culture 400 years from now.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Between Harry and Tom's Captain Proton to the crew's escapades in Fair Haven, the Doctor's family, 7's social lessons, Hirogen Nazi fun, Janeway's ode to Jane Eyre, Neelix's beach parties, B'Elanna and her self harm, and the Maquis mutiny,there were far too many hours spent in that room.

Yeah, you're right. I never realized that there were that many of them, but I don't mind them unlike you so maybe that explains it.

There is nothing overtly wrong with useing the holodeck, like anything you just have to be careful not to overuse it, but the same goes for many things. i.e Transporter accidents, shuttle accidents, spacial anamolies etc...

It's true that they overdid the spacial anomalie theme.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

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But for all we know, by the 24th century, Native American culture has blended all those different tribes together into one. That's the beauty of science fiction

That's unlikely, if anything there'll be even more attached to their idiosyncrasies.

No one can predict what will happen to Native American culture 400 years from now.

That's true of pretty much everything but we can always compare it to similar situations that happened in the past. As a defense mechanism, surrounded minorities tend to cling to their values, even more obstinately than their counterparts abroad (when the latter exist that is).

 

[fireproof78]

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But for all we know, by the 24th century, Native American culture has blended all those different tribes together into one. That's the beauty of science fiction

That's unlikely, if anything there'll be even more attached to their idiosyncrasies.

No one can predict what will happen to Native American culture 400 years from now.

It would be odd for a Mexican tribal tradition (such as the Rubber People Chakotay supposedly descended from) and more northern traditions to blend in such a way, when many of tribes today still maintain identify (at least in the US. In the area I live, there are about 20 identified tribal affiliations).

Not saying impossible, but I find it skeptical. This would be similar to saying that all Europeans wore kilts, ate pasta dishes and enjoyed the running of the bulls as part of their traditions. Perhaps not stereotyping but certainly ignorant.

I think the holodeck would be nice filler if I felt like it gave insight in to the characters more, and that those details mattered. I think Tom's interests were the main ones that stuck, but the others all seemed like passing flights of fancy or felt out of place.

I think they can be used, but sparingly. Like anything else, in moderation

 

[TheSubCommander]

Premise: I'm steeling the idea that they are truly lost in the DQ. They at first aren't even sure they are in the same galaxy. Also, change the premise that they were dragged to the DQ by a Caretaker, to pursuing the Masquis into the Badlands, and being pulled in by an unstable, possibly artificial, wormhole. I never liked the idea of Janeway stranding her own crew by destroying the array, and the fact that the search for another caretaker to help get them home was a short lived, and unsatisfying arc.

Janeway: I'm steeling the idea of her being an XO, taking charge of Voyager, after the captain is killed on the first mission. I like the idea of her being less confident in the beginning, even making mistakes, then growing into her leadership role as a great captain.

Chakotay: I'm steeling the idea that he should be from an actual tribe, not space aliens. Also, HE should have been the disgraced starfleet officer, possibly due to taking sides with the Masquis and maybe have a history with Janeway, where maybe she was the cause of him being kicked out of Starfleet for siding with the Masquis. I would like to see him really HATE Janeway in the beginning, possibly even leading a mutiny at one point, but growing to respect Janeway, possibly even the two pairing up by the end of the series. I'd also recast Chakotay with Wes Studi! He was badass as Magua in Last of the Mohicans, and if Chakotay was more like Magua, I would have loved the character.

Kes: I would have kept her as part of the crew the whole 7 years. I also like the idea of her visibly aging each season, and by season 7, she should have looked 70. I would have liked to see her powers progress to the point of being nearly on par with a Q, and ultimately sacrifices herself in an effort to get voyager closer to home, during the Year of Hell. BTW, I steal the idea that Year of Hell should have been a whole season arc.

Tuvok: He should ACTUALLY HAVE been a Masquis, and Chakotay's right hand man. Maybe he could have been sent under cover by Starfleet to bring in Chakotay at first, but Chakotay actually convinces him to swich sides, and Tuvok using logic to come to the conclusion secede from the Federation. Maybe Tuvok being a dear friend of Janeway, and then being turned by Chakotay, is the reason Janeway has animosity towards Chakotay, and it also takes Tuvok a long time before he earns Janeway's trust as well. I like the idea of his backstory as is, where he is a former starfleet instructor, possibly a one time mentor of Janeway.

Tom Paris: Should have actually been Nick Locarno.

B'ellana: Should have been a voyager crew member from the start, but a troubled one who was in the Voyager brig and getting ready to be court marshaled when the events of the pilot happens. Circumstances offer her opportunities for redemption.

7 of 9: Should have been introduced sooner, like season 2. Should also have kept her borgified the first season, and only slowly looking more human, as she acts more human.

The Doctor: I don't think I would have changed him.

Neelix: I loved Ethan Phillips, so I would still keep him, but he shouldn't have been so clownish. Also, I think a more aggressive and predatory look would have suited him. He should have been more of a mercinary and guide for hire.

Harry Kim: I would have replaced him with another character, possibly Vorik.

Lon Suder should have been part of the main cast, and the murders should have occurred over a whole season, until he was outsmarted and caught by Tuvok.