Voyager Uniforms

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't because it wouldn't have even made sense. I mean...first of all, they would not have known about the uniform change until after they made contact with Starfleet. I suppose after that, if they were going to change uniforms they would have to replicate hundreds of new ones and in theory they were supposed to be conserving energy.

IIRC, Starfleet uniforms are cleaned by throwing them into the replicator for recycling, so it shouldn't take any more energy just to change the replicator pattern to put out DS9-style uniforms rather than the old ones. Although Voyager's replicator rationing may have forced the crew to change how they cleaned up.

But I always assumed the reason why Voyager's crew didn't switch was "really" out-of-universe: the showrunners wanted each show to have a unique look.

But they were wearing the DSN style uniform, don't you mean the First Contact uniform?

Oh yeah, my bad.

As for 'updating' the unis: I disagree. The way I see it, the crew stuck to their existing ones as a link to home. Changing how they dressed would be drifting away from it. And it would have been a subtle cue that they didn't expect to GET home anytime soon, i.e. "Starfleet will never see us again so why should we dress like it?"

Conversely, the fact that they intentionally kept their unis unaltered would serve to remind them that they WOULD get home, and when they did, they could all resume their Starfleet careers.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Yeah. You didn't understand what I wrote.

 

[MacLeod]

That's not what I meant. I mean they would still have a uniform code but I thought Janeway would allow a designer on the ship be allowed to update their uniforms. Maybe even alter the command, science, and engineering color scheme to the classic trek color scheme of green, blue, and red - green becoming the command color again.

Or maybe the crew discovered a material which was better than what they had. Technology which could enhance the phaser etc.

Seven of Nine's outfits was more in line to what I'm taking about for the crew's own sub-culture.

So skin tight cat suits all around?

If you look back at TNG, one of the best things they did was put Troi in a proper uniform in S6 she looked far better in that than the cat suits she had worn previously. The same goes for Seven the odd time she wore a starfleet uniform.

 

[Lance]

If you look back at TNG, one of the best things they did was put Troi in a proper uniform in S6 she looked far better in that than the cat suits she had worn previously.

Well, it's subjective whether she "looked better" in the uniform than in the jumpsuits... I thought she looked damn fine in both.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I've always speculated that part of the reason for the uniform change was to shift the colors around on the uniform. In Emissary, Avery Brooks switches back and forth between the two uniforms. In the TNG, the black on top tends to wash out Brooks' face, and symbolically, it reflects his mood. In the new uniform, the red on top highlights his face, making him seem more alive.

I could see that keeping the color on top and the black on the bottom offered better lighting and makeup possibilities going forward. It offered more control over how individual actors' and actresses' faces were highlighted.

 

[STEPhon IT]

So skin tight cat suits all around?

If you look back at TNG, one of the best things they did was put Troi in a proper uniform in S6 she looked far better in that than the cat suits she had worn previously. The same goes for Seven the odd time she wore a starfleet uniform.

I'm suspecting there are some who do not understand what sub-culture means.

I would consider the branch of the U.S. Army as a sub-culture because their uniforms change quite often. I've never heard any criticism because they adapt and improve their branch, and it's image. That is the whole meaning of the Federation and Star Fleet, growing and progressing.

Uniform changes is not new, it's done ALL THE TIME on Star Trek.

Seven's outfit material and design had improved through out the seasons.

 

[apollo1984]

Can't we just pretend that due to "replicator rations" all crew were banned from replicating new uniforms and that all uniforms were washed and repaired when Janeway re-fit a storage room and installed washing machines, which worked along side the Torpedo manufacturing and shuttle parts benches.

Though, all joking aside given Janeway's personality and insistence on Voyager being a starfleet ship should have made the swap after they are in regular contact with Earth because starfleet did.

 

[MacLeod]

But that would mean they would have to use the C word.

 

[Lance]

But that would mean they would have to use the C word.

C**tinuity?

Perish the thought.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It's something I've mentioned before on another thread I thought TNG movies should have started 7 to 10 years after DS9 and Voyager. This would have avoided the whole continuity thing which I thought were dreadful to begin with. Unless there's a plan for an eventual crossover then I could find it necessary.

 

[Lance]

I think they probably kinda sorta expected to be able to do the crossover thing at some point (they kinda sorta did with Worf, actually; not to mention Insurrection had that deleted scene with Quark). Maybe they should have pushed that panic button sooner.....

 

[doubleohfive]

I always just retconned in my head that the TNG uniforms were "starship duty" uniforms and that the DS9/Voyager uniforms were "space station duty" uniforms until they bungled that theory.

I kind of wish they'd stuck with the TNG uniforms for Voyager honestly.

That said, I definitely can see the business sense in introducing the new uniforms in Generations a) to prepare viewers for them if they were implemented on Voyager and b) to amortize the cost by having the feature film budget pay for the wardrobe rather than having the pilot episode budget do so.

You might notice that the new First Contact uniforms show up on DS9 not long after that film was released; likewise, not long afterward, the Borg interiors were re-puroposed and suddenly Voyager found itself in Borg territory or encountering the Borg a lot more often.

The same thing happened after Nemesis, when Enterprise repurposed the Reman wardrobe to use as the Xindi-Reptilians, and again later when Enterprise began running into the Romulans more and more.

 

[Catarina]

dang First Contact. those gray looks alright in cinema but never liked them on TV. the rank is too subtle and they look miserable to wear at the neck.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The cheap thing about doing it like this, not that it's really that cheep, but it helps is resuing props. Of course if they saved money using a bunch of TNG stuff, why did the pilot cost 23 million dollars?

 

[SPCTRE]

The "Caretaker" concept art in A Vision of the Future has really cool-looking uniforms. A bit like the ones in the Countdown comic prequel to the reboot.

Are pictures of those available online anywhere?

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

By speaking uniforms, can anybody explain to me to what corresponds colors?
I mean, red (Janeway, Chakotay, Paris), yellow (Torres, Kim); vert (the Doctor, Wildman), bleu (Seven), etc...
Thanks.

 

[DarKush]

I liked the VOY uniforms fine. I don't think they needed to have the VOY crew in the TNG uniforms.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I am not familiar with DS9 variations but I like the Voyager uniform. I didn't initially but it is striking color wise verses the grey recent ones which is more subdue with the command color placement. Yeah, looks more polished but meh...I haven't grown to love them. maybe.

I can say this with absolute certainty I HATE the modern white dress uniform. They look like a bunch of waiters.

I liked the early DS9/Voyager uniforms as well. I didn't care for the TNG uniforms and did not like the later DS9/movie uniforms.

 

[Kor]

By speaking uniforms, can anybody explain to me to what corresponds colors?
I mean, red (Janeway, Chakotay, Paris), yellow (Torres, Kim); vert (the Doctor, Wildman), bleu (Seven), etc...
Thanks.

Red - command division, including navigation and helm.

Yellow/gold - Operations, including engineering, security, tactical, and whatever Harry Kim supposedly did.

Blue - sciences and medical.

Kor

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

and whatever Harry Kim supposedly did.

Captain's errand/whipping boy.