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Roberto Orci Not Directing Trek XIII

If Paramount wants to release a big budget action movie (Star Trek), they're competing with the other big budget action movies for attention. Creating a huge expanded universe of films makes people more likely to see a film and less likely to see the competition.

Paramount does not have the resources to create an expanded universe of Star Trek films, and seeing as the nuTrek films have been a commercial success, I don't see what would drive them to make that kind of investment.

I'm struggling with this. First, I doubt a expanded-universe or side-story will happen... we never got that on the big screen and the small screen days of multi-Trek TV series are behind us, most likely for good.

That said, I'd love to see a standalone nuTrek feature film without Enterprise, Kirk, and Spock. Heck, give me the story of Reliant, Terrell, and the Genesis Project. I know it's rehash, but I'd be in for a nuTrek treatment. Use Genesis to restore Vulcan??? Whether or not 'they' succeed...

A guy can dream.
 
If Paramount wants to release a big budget action movie (Star Trek), they're competing with the other big budget action movies for attention. Creating a huge expanded universe of films makes people more likely to see a film and less likely to see the competition.
Marvel has a precedent for a shared universe in their films because that's the way the comics have run for the last 50 years.
Trying to do it with Star Wars or Universal Monsters or Ghostbusters or any other franchise at this point (even DC's better-late-than-never approach is rather questionable at this point) is NOT a guarantee of success, it's a crapshoot, and bandwagoning of the worst kind.
 
If Paramount wants to release a big budget action movie (Star Trek), they're competing with the other big budget action movies for attention. Creating a huge expanded universe of films makes people more likely to see a film and less likely to see the competition.

Paramount does not have the resources to create an expanded universe of Star Trek films, and seeing as the nuTrek films have been a commercial success, I don't see what would drive them to make that kind of investment.

I'm struggling with this. First, I doubt a expanded-universe or side-story will happen... we never got that on the big screen and the small screen days of multi-Trek TV series are behind us, most likely for good.

That said, I'd love to see a standalone nuTrek feature film without Enterprise, Kirk, and Spock. Heck, give me the story of Reliant, Terrell, and the Genesis Project. I know it's rehash, but I'd be in for a nuTrek treatment. Use Genesis to restore Vulcan??? Whether or not 'they' succeed...

A guy can dream.

That's an interesting idea. The STID haters wouldn't be happy with it, wouldn't be a bad idea for ST3 to be honest.
 
Paramount does not have the resources to create an expanded universe of Star Trek films, and seeing as the nuTrek films have been a commercial success, I don't see what would drive them to make that kind of investment.

I'm struggling with this. First, I doubt a expanded-universe or side-story will happen... we never got that on the big screen and the small screen days of multi-Trek TV series are behind us, most likely for good.

That said, I'd love to see a standalone nuTrek feature film without Enterprise, Kirk, and Spock. Heck, give me the story of Reliant, Terrell, and the Genesis Project. I know it's rehash, but I'd be in for a nuTrek treatment. Use Genesis to restore Vulcan??? Whether or not 'they' succeed...

A guy can dream.

That's an interesting idea. The STID haters wouldn't be happy with it, wouldn't be a bad idea for ST3 to be honest.

Generalizing isn't usually a good thing.;)

As a STID 'hater' I think branching out with another captain like Terrell would be interesting. And, a premise that involves a Vulcan restoration may be interesting....if executed well. Not too mention, having Terrell face off against the Anglo-Saxon/English Khan, if he returned, and besting him would be poetic justice...
 
It would be an awful, awful idea. I mean, I'd still go and see it, but holy shit, what a train wreck it would be.
What many seem to forget is that with the exception of Pine's Kirk, "the captains" are each in excess of (minimum) 60 years old. It'd be like watching The Expendables....

Yeah, having read the story (I like the book), I just don't think it would translate at all well on-screen, and that's if we assume the principal characters will be hale and hearty enough to pull it off.

Minus the cigars and testosterone.

Well, the cigars anyway. I think Patrick Stewart carries enough testosterone for a dozen sexagenarians.


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Was that meant to be some kind of ironic humor, or do you really mean that?
Yeah, I honestly believe Abrams understands Star Wars better than the guy who created it. :rolleyes:

Some fans certainly think that they do.

Spock's girlfriend is literally screaming at him to stop, yet he goes in for one final bludgeon. YAY! Role models!

Role models ? What do you think is the point of movies ? Education ?

There's actually a whole back story involving kidnapping hookers and killing them in his basement.

YAY! Role models!

Clumsy mimickry of events while bringing absolutely nothing observant or inventive to the retelling isn't "dealing with" in a worthwhile sense.

Well, I do like TUC, but your description there also applies to ID (which I also like).
 
Nope. That's too continuity-heavy. Bringing the whole goddamn Star Trek Universe into a movie might make a nice 50th anniversary gift to the fans, but it's a commercial bust.

I don't mind nods to older Continuity but yes this kind of Concept doesn't work...won't make money in the box office...above all to get new Trek you have to have whatever Trek is being made be Profitable beyond the base....

It works for the Marvel movies. And they are going to do it with the Star Wars movies. Being continuity heavy never hindered the success. The execution is the important part, not the story. I said it before, and I won't stop saying it: for the uninitiated, continuity doesn't matter. Backstory is backstory, it doesn't matter if there is additional content somewhere. When you saw The Lord of the Rings in 2001, did the throwaway mention of the "dragon incident" completely irritate and confuse you? People who saw The Wrath of Khan without knowing Space Seed weren't confused by Khan having a history with Kirk either. I know that because I am one of those. I am also pretty sure that in 1977, when Obi Wan talked about Luke Skywalkers father and the Clone Wars, people didn't go "What the hell is he talking about?".

They could have pulled a Marvel in the 90s already, with a TNG, a VOY and a DS9 movie, and then a combined one.
 
Nope. That's too continuity-heavy. Bringing the whole goddamn Star Trek Universe into a movie might make a nice 50th anniversary gift to the fans, but it's a commercial bust.

I don't mind nods to older Continuity but yes this kind of Concept doesn't work...won't make money in the box office...above all to get new Trek you have to have whatever Trek is being made be Profitable beyond the base....

It works for the Marvel movies. And they are going to do it with the Star Wars movies. Being continuity heavy never hindered the success.
First of all, the return of the Star Wars original trilogy cast is something that people generally want to see. Second, all we know is that the original cast will be in The Force Awakens. We can't say how "continuity heavy" that will be, because we just don't know. If I understood Dennis's remark correctly, he was saying "No" to doing Shatner's The Return specifically, and then no generally to stuff that actually would be continuity heavy.

Third, there's nothing really "heavy" about the Marvel movies. The callbacks in their movies are to other recent movies that are themselves directly accessible to the same audience, not to TV shows from previous generations. The common threads between the MCU films represent ongoing drama, not something that has been resurrected from past decades.

"Heavy" in this context means being a burden.
 
You've been saying the same thing for over 10 years.

And you've been not getting it for even longer.

It's a service I do you. You're welcome.
A service? Hope you're getting paid at least. Or else you've really been wasting your time.
Someone is. :cool:

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Huh? Wha? Can you say that again. No really, go on.
Get a room, you two. Keep the personal digs out of the threads.


When I saw this picture my mind immediately went to "All Our Yesterdays". The scene where Kirk is trying to get back to the library.

Nerd. :p
There's a lot of that going on around here, strangely enough.
 
When I saw this picture my mind immediately went to "All Our Yesterdays". The scene where Kirk is trying to get back to the library.

Nerd. :p
There's a lot of that going on around here, strangely enough.

It's almost like there's a strange force, exhibiting subspace pressure on the molecular bonds of the inverser tachyons, thus preventing the hyperdrive's boromite atomizer from actuating.
 
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