The dialog itself point out that the USS. Carolina was a different class of starship then the USS. Enterprise. Had she had been the same class of starship as the Enterprise? Why would she call for help in the first place? later in the dialog, Scotty had Uhura to contact the Carolina to to make sure that she didn't send out a destress call in the first place.Are you saying the Carolina is a ship like the Enterprise or another ship in Starfleet?This is the exchange...Uhura: Mr. Scott, another distress call... from the USS Carolina.That makes it a real ship even if it was part of a fake transmission. This is why we cross check our work first.
Scott: Ignore it.
Uhura: The Carolina is registered in this sector.
Because I assumed it was just another ship in Starfleet that probably wasn't Constitution or Starship class (whatever).
Edit : Sorry just saw your answer
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The dialog point out that the Antares was a science vessel and it had a USS prefix. SS. Columbia was a colony ship and the SS. Beagle was a survey vessel. The SS Dierdre was unknown. But it might had been a passager ship?
Kirk's captain's log at the beginning of the referred to it as a cargo ship.
Actually it does not.
Hmh? People impersonating police officers present a very real problem and conduct all sorts of crimes. This typically requires them to wear passable police uniforms, which then naturally results in wearing of such being criminalized.
It's not as if Wilhelm Voigt was given just a pat in the head, either. (Would have been counterproductive considering the spiked helmet!) And he got off easy.
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It should be pointed out that the middle quote does not refer to the Antares at all. The transport that crashed was some other vessel altogether.
What the ship is called is "cargo vessel" and "science probe vessel". But the latter could actually be "Science Probe vessel", that is, a vessel in UESPA registry (it was UESPA specifically that was to be contacted for her loss). Kirk's ship would be United Star Ship (or UnitedFederationofPlanets Starfleet Starship), hence USS Enterprise; Ramart's could be UESP Antares. While being purely a cargo vessel.
However, the third relevant quote would be this...
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The NOAA is one of seven uniformed services of the United States. The other one outside the regular five known military services is the United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corp (The Surgeon General for example).
The NOAA operates several vessels and aircraft, and their uniforms are very similar to those used by the US Navy. The Public Health Service uniform is also similar to that used by the US Navy.
The NOAA operates several vessels and aircraft, and their uniforms are very similar to those used by the US Navy. The Public Health Service uniform is also similar to that used by the US Navy.
Obviously people criminally misrepresenting themselves is a problem, but merchant mariners wearing uniforms similar to naval personnel isn't.
Because no starship like the Enterprise would ever send out a distress call? What are they supposed to do, just take what is coming to them?
By that logic, why did the Constellation send out a distress call?
There is nothing in the dialog that suggest she is any different than the Enterprise... just like there is nothing in the dialog about Scotty having Uhura following up with the Carolina.
Because early fans had forgotten about her, later fans assume there must have been a good reason... even if there wasn't one. Because it wasn't included in earlier fan attempts to name the 12 ships like the Enterprise, later fans assume it wasn't even a possibility.
This is why going back to the data and taking an unbiased look at it is important.
The dialog says it was a cargo vessel, transport ship, science probe vessel, and survey ship... and as pointed out, doesn't have USS (or anything like it) attached to the name.
Actually, the above quoted exchange makes the point for me. In two log entires and one snippet of dialogue, the Antares is given four different ship-labels, none of them establishing (or disproving) the ship as either a strictly-Earth ship or a Federation ship, or as a civilian ship or a starship-of-the-line. It seems no clear conclusion can be drawn unless one hangs an argument on the Antares' personnel uniforms. The only thing we know for sure is that the Antares was some kind of space vessel from UESPA. Other references seem confused, if not contradictory.
Maybe its cargo was science probes...and before they gave you a probe, you had to take a survey...?
Wouldn't you use the probes to take the survey?
This is my theory on the 3 or 4 different classifications.
All ships under UESPA authority can colloquially be called a science vessel because that's their "thing", even if it's actually a freighter that can multi-task and do planetary surveys as needed for new planets discovered by the long range explorers like Enterprise.
All ships under UESPA authority can colloquially be called a science vessel because that's their "thing", even if it's actually a freighter that can multi-task and do planetary surveys as needed for new planets discovered by the long range explorers like Enterprise.
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The Antares certainly seemed to be doing some "surveying", considering she stumbled onto what was left of Charlie Evans on a planet so rarely visited.
But then again, Charlie had originally crashed onto the planet on a "transport", too. Why would several transports go anywhere near a planet that isn't actually inhabited or used by anybody they would know of? Do they have to refuel from its upper atmosphere or dump their bilge or what? Or is it like Costa Concordia, and these transport skippers want to impress the Captain's Woman with a close pass?
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But then again, Charlie had originally crashed onto the planet on a "transport", too. Why would several transports go anywhere near a planet that isn't actually inhabited or used by anybody they would know of? Do they have to refuel from its upper atmosphere or dump their bilge or what? Or is it like Costa Concordia, and these transport skippers want to impress the Captain's Woman with a close pass?
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I had to:
A- look up who NOAA is
B- confirm that they are, indeed, a uniformed service.
Amazing. Did not know that. Their officers go thru the us coast guard academy. Go figure.
Of course, my point is that officers of the uniformed services might be mistaken for officers of other uniformed services. Whether it's NOAA guys looking like Navy guys or some future "merchant marine" guy being mistaken for a "Starfleet" guy, similarity of uniforms actually happens, doesn't really constitute "impersonation," and probably has some generally-agreed work-around in the 23rd century just as it does in the 21st century.
Got a question from an entirely different angle:
Memory Alpha seems to list Antares and her crew as Federation Starfleet according to articles linked to the "Charlie X" episode article. Does this mean Antares is "officially" a Federation starship?
Memory Alpha seems to list Antares and her crew as Federation Starfleet according to articles linked to the "Charlie X" episode article. Does this mean Antares is "officially" a Federation starship?
I don't think anything means anything simply because Memory Alpha says it. I think Memory Alpha is meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive.
With the inclusion of a new visual effect in the remastered version of "Charlie X" that show the Antares with a red banner on the side and yellow wedges, and an NCC number, I think the implication is meant to be that this is a ship of Federation registry. (It doesn't have Klingon markings or Romulan markings.)
I think the ship is meant to be some kind of non-Starfleet-ish vessel--like a "merchant marine" or "transport" ship. Because we don't know the structure of Starfleet, we don't know if this "merchant marine" or "transport" division is some lesser division under Starfleet, or something parallel to it. Maybe they are something like the Military Sealift Command organization under the U.S. Navy.
Maybe the Memory Alpha entry needs to be tweaked a bit to read "officer" [of some unidentified service or division], instead of "Starfleet officer."
@GSchnitzer: you slightly misunderstood my last question. Allow me to clarify: I wasn't asking in the Memory Alpha article makes anything official. I was asking if the information Memory Alpha presented is the result of the studio making it official. In other words: the use of the older Starfleet turtleneck uniforms, the Starfleet pennant and registry on the side of the ship, etc. Doesn't this add up, with those subtle changes shown in TOS-R, to Antares now being revealed as a Starfleet starship?
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