Original 12 Constitution class ships

[Ithekro]

USS Carolina was mentioned from a fake transmission, se we have no clue what it even was suppose to have been.

 

[Shaw]

USS Carolina was mentioned from a fake transmission, se we have no clue what it even was suppose to have been.

This is the exchange...

Uhura: Mr. Scott, another distress call... from the USS Carolina.
Scott: Ignore it.
Uhura: The Carolina is registered in this sector.
​

That makes it a real ship even if it was part of a fake transmission. This is why we cross check our work first.

 

[Ithekro]

We still have no clue what it was. Just a name of a Federation ship.

 

[Shaw]

We still have no clue what it was. Just a name of a Federation ship.

Which is why I list it as unseen... just like the Farragut, Intrepid, Republic, Valiant and Yorktown. There is no more or less weight to the name than any of those other ships in TOS (except that it is given "USS" before it, which some others haven't).

But the fact that early fan publications forgot it has meant that most fans don't include it in discussions like this. That is why I prefer doing my own research and collecting my own raw data rather than relying on others.

 

[Commishsleer]

USS Carolina was mentioned from a fake transmission, se we have no clue what it even was suppose to have been.

This is the exchange...

Uhura: Mr. Scott, another distress call... from the USS Carolina.
Scott: Ignore it.
Uhura: The Carolina is registered in this sector.
​

That makes it a real ship even if it was part of a fake transmission. This is why we cross check our work first.

Are you saying the Carolina is a ship like the Enterprise or another ship in Starfleet?
Because I assumed it was just another ship in Starfleet that probably wasn't Constitution or Starship class (whatever).
Edit : Sorry just saw your answer

 

[CorporalCaptain]

We still have no clue what it was. Just a name of a Federation ship.

Which is why I list it as unseen... just like the Farragut, Intrepid, Republic, Valiant and Yorktown. There is no more or less weight to the name than any of those other ships in TOS (except that it is given "USS" before it, which some others haven't).

But the fact that early fan publications forgot it has meant that most fans don't include it in discussions like this. That is why I prefer doing my own research and collecting my own raw data rather than relying on others.

Great points.

 

[Marsden]

I also have never given it a thought because I always assumed it was something like the Antares, not a Starship.

But, clearly an assumption on my part, there is no fact about what kind of ship that is, only it's location. We don't even know if it's a Star Fleet vessel or a Federation vessel.

 

[J.T.B.]

But, clearly an assumption on my part, there is no fact about what kind of ship that is, only it's location. We don't even know if it's a Star Fleet vessel or a Federation vessel.

The USS prefix is a pretty good indication that it's a Starfleet vessel. Federation merchant vessels seem to use "SS" (Valiant, Columbia, Dierdre, Beagle etc.). Antares was intended to be a merchant vessel (TOS-R got that wrong) and Astral Queen is apparently a merchant or liner, but a prefix isn't specified for either.

 

[Timo]

Antares was intended to be a merchant vessel (TOS-R got that wrong)

...Despite the officers wearing Starfleet uniforms? Old ones, to be sure, but part of Picard's crew wearing early-season uniforms didn't make them civilians. And some of Kirk's own folks had those uniforms during the earliest post-pilot adventures.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[J.T.B.]

Antares was intended to be a merchant vessel (TOS-R got that wrong)

...Despite the officers wearing Starfleet uniforms? Old ones, to be sure, but part of Picard's crew wearing early-season uniforms didn't make them civilians. And some of Kirk's own folks had those uniforms during the earliest post-pilot adventures.

Why not? Just like in real life.

 

[PCz911]

Antares was intended to be a merchant vessel (TOS-R got that wrong)

...Despite the officers wearing Starfleet uniforms? Old ones, to be sure, but part of Picard's crew wearing early-season uniforms didn't make them civilians. And some of Kirk's own folks had those uniforms during the earliest post-pilot adventures.

Why not? Just like in real life.

So THATs what Santa claus does most of the year....

(ok, I apologize for that bad joke. )

 

[Ithekro]

That's Captain Santa Claus.

 

[Timo]

Why not? Just like in real life.

So anybody can impersonate a Starfleet officer? Hmm. Does that mean that the officers of the Huron were civilians, too?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ithekro]

Merchant Marine officers in uniform are not that different from Naval officers in uniform. The differences are usually the insignialm and other details on their uniforms.

It was sugested that Antares crew's patch was that of the Merchant Marine, while the patch used on USS Enterprise was the Starfleet patch (rather than just for that one ship).

 

[J.T.B.]

So THATs what Santa claus does most of the year....

That's Captain Santa Claus.

Good picture for December, huh? Seriously, though, that fellow's name was Ian North, and he was captain of SS Atlantic Conveyor which was taken into Royal Navy service to transport helicopters and Harriers to the South Atlantic in the Falklands conflict. He died in the water, abandoning ship after the vessel was hit by missiles.

So anybody can impersonate a Starfleet officer? Hmm. Does that mean that the officers of the Huron were civilians, too?

Almost certainly not.

Merchant Marine officers in uniform are not that different from Naval officers in uniform. The differences are usually the insignialm and other details on their uniforms.

It was sugested that Antares crew's patch was that of the Merchant Marine, while the patch used on USS Enterprise was the Starfleet patch (rather than just for that one ship).

Exactly. In the photo above, the cap badge, buttons and details of the sleeve stripes would be different, but overall the uniforms are very similar. Presumably the Antares breast badge would be sufficient to identify the merchant service to anyone in the know. Or at least that's what Bob Justman thought according to the memo Harvey posted a while back:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=7621216&postcount=29

 

[CrazyMatt]

Antares was intended to be a merchant vessel (TOS-R got that wrong)

...Despite the officers wearing Starfleet uniforms? Old ones, to be sure, but part of Picard's crew wearing early-season uniforms didn't make them civilians. And some of Kirk's own folks had those uniforms during the earliest post-pilot adventures.

Timo Saloniemi

The uniforms with the butt patch?

 

[GSchnitzer]

Antares was intended to be a merchant vessel (TOS-R got that wrong)

...Despite the officers wearing Starfleet uniforms? Old ones, to be sure, but part of Picard's crew wearing early-season uniforms didn't make them civilians. And some of Kirk's own folks had those uniforms during the earliest post-pilot adventures.

Timo Saloniemi

The uniforms with the butt patch?

A relevant re-hash:

http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/?p=2329

Also, the third officer from the left (a U.S. NOAA officer) is caught in this photograph impersonating the three other officers from the U.S. Navy:

I'm not sure how we allow NOAA to get away with this outrage.

 

[Timo]

Well, it presents quite a practical problem. Kirk can go to a random planet and tell the colony there to relocate two worlds to the left, hut, hut, hut, now MOVE or I'll huff and puff and blow the colony away. But so, apparently, can Ramart...

Police forces have no patience for impersonators. Why would militaries, especially ones that act as de facto police forces?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[GSchnitzer]

Well, it presents quite a practical problem. Kirk can go to a random planet and tell the colony there to relocate two worlds to the left, hut, hut, hut, now MOVE or I'll huff and puff and blow the colony away. But so, apparently, can Ramart...

Police forces have no patience for impersonators. Why would militaries, especially ones that act as de facto police forces?

Timo Saloniemi

"Mall cops" look like police officers to a lot of people. I'm not convinced that's actually a problem.

 

[J.T.B.]

Well, it presents quite a practical problem. Kirk can go to a random planet and tell the colony there to relocate two worlds to the left, hut, hut, hut, now MOVE or I'll huff and puff and blow the colony away. But so, apparently, can Ramart...

Badges on a uniform are an indication of authority, not the basis of it. If someone wanted to misrepresent themselves as having Starfleet legal authority, they could just go all-in and wear the Starfleet insignia, too.

Police forces have no patience for impersonators. Why would militaries, especially ones that act as de facto police forces?

They wouldn't. But since it's not a problem in the real world, it doesn't seem like an issue worth debating in the fictional one.