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Philae Probe lands on comet Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

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Philae lander 'bounced twice' on comet but is now stable, Rosetta mission scientists confirm

The scientists at the European Space Agency (ESA) faced a nervous wait this morning after it emerged that the history-making Philae probe landed not once but three times on a comet more than 300 million miles from Earth.

However, the ESA confirmed that Philae is now stable, even after magnetic field anlaysis from the craft reported three separate landings at 15:33, 17:26 and 17:33 - suggesting a high initial bounce and a second smaller one.

"We are sitting with the weight of the lander somehow on the comet," said project manager Stephan Ulamec. "We are pretty sure where we landed the first time, and then we made quite a leap. Some people say it is in the order of 1 km high."

The bouncing was caused by a combination of the comet's incredibly weak gravity and a failure of both the lander's thrusters (which were supposed to push it into the surface) and its harpoons (which were meant to secure it).

Although the probe is now stable, the lack of anchors means that scientists are unsure if they'll be able to drill into the surface to collect samples. Doing so could make the craft unstable and possibly move it across the comet's surface once more.

The fact that the 100kg (220 pound) probe descended some 4cm (1.5 inches) into the surface of the comet was also a concern, suggesting it had landed on a relatively soft top layer of dust.

However, Philae's other instruments and sensors are still operational, with ESA scientist Dr Matt Taylor confirming that they were receiving a "good" signal from the craft, including usable scientific data.

He said: “Now we are busy analysing what it all means and really trying to find out where the lander actually is on the surface.”

Hopefully the probe will remain in place however and Philae will be able to begin several months of experiments, retrieving data about the pseudo-atmosphere of the comet and analysing the surface composition of the craft.

Despite the uncertainty last night, the fact that Philae performed a successful soft landing at all was hailed as one of the greatest achievements in the history of humanity.

“This is the most difficult landing in space history, like landing a balloon in a city centre on a windy day with your eyes closed,” said Matthew Genge, lecturer in earth and planetary sciences at Imperial College London.

Now that it has been confirmed as stable, the Philae lander will travel with the comet as it continues its journey around the Sun. It should witness the plumes of vapourised gases emitted from the icy surface as the comet feels the rising heat of its orbital summer.

And Dr Genge said that this journey, along with Rosetta’s readings from its orbit around the comet, could help answer fundamental questions about the origins of our planet. “Did comets deliver the building blocks of living things and start life on Earth? We may soon know with the help of Rosetta,” he said.
 
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Hello Comet! I'm here!
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The live event at xkcd was quite hilarious: Starts here, just click through it, it's worth it.
 
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And here as a gif.

Seems like they're currently afraid to use any mechanical instruments which might shift Philae, or, heaven forbid, cause another bounce. But no such woes can take the awesome away form Philae.
 
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We are having a couple of... tense days at the university right now. That's the understatement of the year. :lol:

So much excitement, joy, anxiety, and bouncing between terror and exhilaration.
 
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I'm impressed by how well everything has gone, considering the duration of the project, the resources available, the likelihood of mishaps, and the fact that much of this has never been done before. Job well done by everyone involved, so far! :techman:
 
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We are having a couple of... tense days at the university right now. That's the understatement of the year. :lol:

So much excitement, joy, anxiety, and bouncing between terror and exhilaration.
I am very much in awe of the accomplishment of intercepting a fucking comet after several swing-by maneuvers and a decade-long journey alone. Then actually landing the Philae probe on the fucking thing... it does boggle the mind.

"Amazing" doesn't even come close to describing this triumph.
 
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We are having a couple of... tense days at the university right now. That's the understatement of the year. :lol:

So much excitement, joy, anxiety, and bouncing between terror and exhilaration.

I can imagine. It was already exciting and amazing enough just landing on the comet, but the drama associated with the harpoon not firing and it landing on an uneven surface that might block the solar arrays somewhat has to be nerve-wracking. It's been fascinating to watch this play out, and the pictures are unbelievable.
 
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I was listening to a news report on the way to work this morning that the ESA has produced sound which apparently has the eerie resemblance of the same sounding clicks that the Predator alien made - is coming from comet.

How does a comet in the vacuum of space without an atmosphere make any sounds at all?
 
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I'll go out on a limb here and say the reason isn't the presence of predator aliens.
 
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I'll go out on a limb here and say the reason isn't the presence of predator aliens.

:lol: Well no. But Dryson who frequently posts threads about alien conspiracy theories in this forum and likely visits Scott Warings webiste UFO Sightings Daily far to oftenwill likely disagree. ;)

In all seriousness, I really don't understand how a comet can make any sounds at all without an atmosphere.
 
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Presumably they're talking about vibrations transmitted through the surface. The probe could pick those up from being in direct contact.
 
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Presumably they're talking about vibrations transmitted through the surface. The probe could pick those up from being in direct contact.

I see. So they make the vibrations audible here on Earth. Still strange they'd choose the Predator like clicking as a sound choice to do so.
 
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Although the probe is now stable, the lack of anchors means that scientists are unsure if they'll be able to drill into the surface to collect samples. Doing so could make the craft unstable and possibly move it across the comet's surface once more.

So I heard them say that the probe is in too much shade and likely will not be able to charge from its solar panels, which will cut the mission for Philae short by quite a bit. I wonder if they could deploy the drill with the hope that it will move Philae across the comet once more, possibly out of the shade.

Edit: Just checked Philae's twitter and found this:
"Back to work! I’m now drilling into the surface of #67P… I’ll give you updates as soon as I can! #CometLanding".

I wonder if they are trying to move it.
 
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Too bad that Philae couldn't be equipped with any sort of long term power source that could augment her solar power.
Or just claw herself over the comet, walk into a better source of sunlight.
 
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They managed to turn Philae by 35 degrees. The goal was to let one of the larger solar panels catch the sunlight that's currently hitting a small one. Lots of experiments finished.

Alas... it switched to "stand by" 8 minutes ago. All instruments off, com link still active but loss of contact expected in 20 minutes.

Or to quote Philae's twitter account:

Philae Lander @Philae2014 · 4 Min.
.@ESA_Rosetta I'm feeling a bit tired, did you get all my data? I might take a nap… #CometLanding
 
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In all seriousness, I really don't understand how a comet can make any sounds at all without an atmosphere.
It's not really a "sound". ESA press release says it's oscillations in the comet's magnetic field.

The comet seems to be emitting a ‘song’ in the form of oscillations in the magnetic field in the comet’s environment. It is being sung at 40-50 millihertz, far below human hearing, which typically picks up sound between 20 Hz and 20 kHz. To make the music audible to the human ear, the frequencies have been increased by a factor of about 10,000.

So basically it's variations of the magnetic field, transformed into sound to make them audible. Not unlike using false colours to make temperature differences visible in a thermal picture.

The lander is now in hibernation. The drill was successful, but it's not clear if it collected a sample. All data from the First Science Sequence have been transmitted, which is awesome. The last operation was moving the lander trying to catch a bit of more of sunlight, but we will know if the maneuver was successful only when the comet comes closer to the sun.

It has been a very long two days. I don't even work on the mission, but the emotional investment has been immense.

Science is fucking awesome.
 
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