Gotham - Season 1

[Mr Light]

<<Kind of ironic that you'd bring that up when this latest episode featured all those characters, except Babs, in different locales...>>

That's what brought it to my attention

 

[theenglish]

It's hard to talk about a "departure from canon" in Batman comics, when DC has reinvented the comics continuity so many times. Alfred was originally a fat, comic-relief wannabe detective named Alfred Beagle (or sometimes Alfred Jarvis, believe it or not) who came to work for Bruce and Dick after they were already well-established as Batman and Robin, and who eventually stumbled onto their secret identities. He didn't slim down until after the 1943 movie serial, in which he was played by a thin actor and the comics character was adjusted to fit. And he didn't acquire the surname Pennyworth until 1969, shortly after the TV series ended, which is why they never gave him a last name on the show. It wasn't until Frank Miller's Batman: Year One that Alfred was retconned as having been the Waynes' butler since Bruce's childhood.

Right, the Alfred from my childhood was a WWII veteran who pursued an acting career before coming to the States to work for Bruce Wayne as Alfred's father had worked for Thomas Wayne. Park Row was also mentioned on numerous occasions in those seventies comics as Crime Alley was only a moniker that the street earned because of the Wayne's death and the hard times that had fallen to that area of the city in the years since.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He was an actor, you say? I was actually wondering if (in some continuities but obviously not all) the reason that Alfred didn't pick the Waynes up from the theatre is because Alfred was in the play.

 

[The Old Mixer]

"Dammit, Tom, I'm a butler, not a chauffeur!"

 

[Guy Gardener]

60's TV Alfred had to dress up as Batman and drive Dick around in the Batmobile after something happened to the real Batman.

 

[The Old Mixer]

He was likely driven by his guilt over what happened that night lo those many years ago.

ETA: And don't get me started about Burt Ward's Robin not being old enough to drive....

 

[Guy Gardener]

Some of the comics suggest Robin was as young as 8 when he first put on his fighting togs.

Did you need a pilot's licence to drive a Whirly-Bat in the 60s?

 

[JRoss]

Mark my words, this show will at some point feature the line, "Penguins eat fish."

 

[Forbin]

Mark my words, this show will at some point feature the line, "Penguins eat fish."

 

[Kelthaz]

Mark my words, this show will at some point feature the line, "Penguins eat fish."

Or they'll do a cute little twist on it. The Penguin could try to say the line several times, but he keeps getting interrupted and eventually gives up.

 

[Reynolds]

I wonder if there ever going to show Falcone's sister or his children on the show. It's so weird to me that they show the Falcone crime family with out showing that he has an actual family.

 

[Malformed]

So here's something I keep thinking about... all of the villains they are setting up (with the exception of Selina Kyle)are already fully grown adults. So by the time Bruce becomes Batman they will likely be in their mid to late 30s and Bruce will be a young, well-trained man in his prime.

No wonder Batman keeps kicking their asses!!

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The ones shown as being adults have always seemed to be a bit older than Batman. Penguin especially, doubly so in recent years where he's practically retired from his hay day as a villain.

 

[Marc]

So here's something I keep thinking about... all of the villains they are setting up (with the exception of Selina Kyle)are already fully grown adults. So by the time Bruce becomes Batman they will likely be in their mid to late 30s and Bruce will be a young, well-trained man in his prime.

No wonder Batman keeps kicking their asses!!

But did Batman get into fisticuffs with the likes of the Pengiun and the Joker that often - I thought they usually had the minions do the fighting for them?

 

[Guy Gardener]

One theory is that nerve damage stops the Joker from feeling the beatings Batman gives him, while an equally valid point might be that he liked it.

Penguin in the comics had at least one machine gun at hand whenever he went up against the Bat.

 

[Taylirious]

This Penguin has guilt.

 

[tomalak301]

I decided to get back into this show and got up to episode 7. Man 6 and 7 were great episodes so far, probably the best the series has to offer. Episode 6 finally gave us some backstory on Bullock, and episode 7 was basically the Penguin show, with a great speech towards Nicholi before he was killed. I also felt episode 7 was kind of the end of this first arc. It will be interesting to see where the show goes from here, but after tonight, I'm actually glad I'm watching Gotham again.

 

[JRoss]

Yeah, it really picked up after the poorly-directed pilot episode.

 

[Taylirious]

Mark my words, this show will at some point feature the line, "Penguins eat fish."

The future headline is "Penguin Eats Fish!"

 

[Dorian Thompson]

What? No comments yet? With that ending?

Meh. Barbara is such a weakling. Reminds me of my ex-husband. What she wants is to be the center of attention 24/7. Doesn't matter if it's a man or woman giving the attention. If she doesn't get it, she runs away. What a feeb. I thought it was going to be Penguin on the bed.

Alfred surprised me pleasantly when he didn't have a shit fit about the food fight. He really does love Bruce. Selina not being able to admit being an orphan is heartbreaking.

Fish is pushing it with her power plays....but then again, so is Oswald. Lilacs. So, this Dent is two face? What happened to him anyway?