It's probably I don't really care that much, I was skimming it, and was just hoping to end it with facts rather than seeing the continual use of assumptions.
You know, so we don't have this weird "argument" continue to drag the thread off topic
Gotham - Season 1
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It's probably I don't really care that much, I was skimming it, and was just hoping to end it with facts rather than seeing the continual use of assumptions.
You know, so we don't have this weird "argument" continue to drag the thread off topic
Hush, and what Hush will eventually do to Bruce seems completely justified by this episode of Gotham.
Meanwhile remember when Alfred said that little orphan Wayne's parents had left strict instruction for how Bruce was to be raised?
Was it Thomas or Martha who wanted Alfred to let Bruce murder other kids?
Alfred had to be sleeping with one or both of the Waynes simultaneously or consecutively.
Hell he might even be Bruces biological Father.
Meanwhile remember when Alfred said that little orphan Wayne's parents had left strict instruction for how Bruce was to be raised?
Was it Thomas or Martha who wanted Alfred to let Bruce murder other kids?
Alfred had to be sleeping with one or both of the Waynes simultaneously or consecutively.
Hell he might even be Bruces biological Father.
A little OTT don't you think. Alfred wanted to scare a bully and make Bruce stronger at the same time + the little shit deserved a good beating from Bruce. I was wondering does Alfred have any background with the British Army in any canon of Batman? It would explain Alfred wanting to use such extreme tactics in a way.
I like the idea of a badass Alfred.
This has to be the distant past for that to pass for parenting.
(Unless Alfred planned to pay off Tommy's parents to avoid a lawsuit and jail time.)
Yes, there is canon for Alfred being a field medic in the army, which is how he is able to patch Bruce up, at least that's an explanation put forward once gritty realism suggested that Batman did get seriously hurt all the time.
In the early 80s, maybe the 70s we met an old girlfriend of Alfreds who served in the French Resistance, and they had blown #### up together in the war.
Oh. They had a daughter.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Julia_Remarque_(Earth-One)
"I need a symbol...something that will strike fear into the hearts of evil-doers. I shall be..."
[Looks down at his father's watch]
"...the Watchman!"
[Looks down at his father's watch]
"...the Watchman!"
I'd go for Brother, unless Roman is already 20 and on an excellent career path.
It was established in the comics in the late '70s or early '80s that Alfred had a background with British military intelligence and experience in combat. This has remained part of his background in the comics, and has been utilized in several adaptations. Perhaps the first mention of it onscreen was in the Batman: The Animated Series episode "The Lion and the Unicorn." It's been featured more prominently in several recent adaptations, including the Nolan movies, the Batman: Earth One graphic novel, and the animated series Beware the Batman.
In Batman Earth One, a self contained bottle story alone in it's own universe, by J Michael Stravinski, Alfred didn't become the help till after Bruce's parents, his dearest friends, were dead and he had been signed over as the legal guardian without actually meeting the kid. Bruce was so ####ed up, that when he asked Alfred who he was, instead of saying I am your new father, he replies that he is "The Butler" so that Bruce doesn't feel even more powerless after losing his parents.
That's a big departure from regular canon, which isn't always a bad thing.
That's a big departure from regular canon, which isn't always a bad thing.
When I saw the "making of" documentary, it looked like the police station set was just another set built within a soundstage. Maybe the right camera shots just make it look bigger than it actually is. I could be mistaken, but that's what I remember.
Geoff Johns wrote Batman: Earth One. Straczynski wrote the terrible Superman ones.
It's hard to talk about a "departure from canon" in Batman comics, when DC has reinvented the comics continuity so many times. Alfred was originally a fat, comic-relief wannabe detective named Alfred Beagle (or sometimes Alfred Jarvis, believe it or not) who came to work for Bruce and Dick after they were already well-established as Batman and Robin, and who eventually stumbled onto their secret identities. He didn't slim down until after the 1943 movie serial, in which he was played by a thin actor and the comics character was adjusted to fit. And he didn't acquire the surname Pennyworth until 1969, shortly after the TV series ended, which is why they never gave him a last name on the show. It wasn't until Frank Miller's Batman: Year One that Alfred was retconned as having been the Waynes' butler since Bruce's childhood.
Kind of ironic that you'd bring that up when this latest episode featured all those characters, except Babs, in different locales...
Bruce and Alfred at the school & Tommy Elliot's house
Essen at the office fight club
Fish at the church
It also covers a plot hole that's always bugged me about the origin story: Why wasn't Alfred there to pick them up from the theatre?
Did they leave early? Maybe they were making their way to a pay phone or something.
Yeah. In BB it was specifically stated that they left early. But in every other version I can think of, (granted I've only seen one or two from the comics), it's implied they fully enjoyed whatever show they'd been to.
Here's my blog article about the theater issue:
http://christopherlbennett.wordpres...an-advisory-there-is-no-alley-in-crime-alley/
In short, the tendency to portray them walking through a dark alley arises from a misunderstanding of the name "Crime Alley," which was originally the nickname for the neighborhood where the crime took place. In the '70s story that introduced the name Crime Alley, the murder was shown to have taken place on a sidewalk in front of a row of brownstones, just two doors down from the movie theater. It was an upscale neighborhood at the time, Park Row, and thus they had no reason not to feel safe walking along the sidewalk. In the earlier comics going back to the '40s, those details weren't there yet, but the murder was shown to take place on a well-lit street corner.
So maybe the idea back then was that they were walking to a restaurant or something after the movie. They thought they were in a safe neighborhood, and that makes the crime all the more shocking and brazen. The tendency in almost every screen adaptation (save only Batman: The Animated Series) to set it in a literal alley loses that impact and creates the mystery of why a rich couple would take their kid into a dark, scary alley at night.
http://christopherlbennett.wordpres...an-advisory-there-is-no-alley-in-crime-alley/
In short, the tendency to portray them walking through a dark alley arises from a misunderstanding of the name "Crime Alley," which was originally the nickname for the neighborhood where the crime took place. In the '70s story that introduced the name Crime Alley, the murder was shown to have taken place on a sidewalk in front of a row of brownstones, just two doors down from the movie theater. It was an upscale neighborhood at the time, Park Row, and thus they had no reason not to feel safe walking along the sidewalk. In the earlier comics going back to the '40s, those details weren't there yet, but the murder was shown to take place on a well-lit street corner.
So maybe the idea back then was that they were walking to a restaurant or something after the movie. They thought they were in a safe neighborhood, and that makes the crime all the more shocking and brazen. The tendency in almost every screen adaptation (save only Batman: The Animated Series) to set it in a literal alley loses that impact and creates the mystery of why a rich couple would take their kid into a dark, scary alley at night.
In TAS, wasn't Leslie Tompkin's practice in Crime Alley?
Ewww.
Diana Muldar.
Ewww.
Diana Muldar.
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