The Litverse and TAS

[ryan123450]

Working on the Litverse Reading Guide and I realize the SCE story Where Time Stands Still is a sequel to a TAS episode, and yet it takes place in TOS Season 3.

Any other stories out there that operate under the assumption that TAS episodes are interspersed with TOS episodes? It seems like we've talked about this before but I can't find the thread.

At the very least it seems that in the Litverse The Time Trap takes place about a year earlier than I would otherwise believe. That means Arex was on the ship at that point as well. So it seems appropriate that at least a few other episodes should be mixed in with TOS Season 3, but who knows exactly which or how.

Thanks for the help.

 

[ryan123450]

I'm guessing there aren't any other examples.

 

[Christopher]

I assume that TAS came after TOS. After all, in TAS, the bridge has a second exit and main engineering has been rearranged, so there must've been a minor refit in between. Plus there's Chekov's apparent absence to consider.

 

[ryan123450]

I always assumed that as well, for those reasons and others. What's your take on the Where Time Stands Still issue, Christopher?

 

[Christopher]

^I'm not sure what the issue is. In my chronology I have it listed in 2270.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Any other stories out there that operate under the assumption that TAS episodes are interspersed with TOS episodes? It seems like we've talked about this before but I can't find the thread.

I may be misremembering, but I feel that David R. George's Crucible trilogy operates on the assumption that the animated series is interspersed among the three live-action seasons according to stardate order.

 

[ryan123450]

^I'm not sure what the issue is. In my chronology I have it listed in 2270.

But wasn't the Lovell destroyed in What Judgments Come, which takes place in 2269? And the story itself says it takes place in 2268.

 

[Christopher]

^Oh. Well, then, I don't know how that can be reconciled.

 

[Enterprise1701]

^I'm not sure what the issue is. In my chronology I have it listed in 2270.

But wasn't the Lovell destroyed in What Judgments Come, which takes place in 2269? And the story itself says it takes place in 2268.

Is that a typo^? Do you mean 2268 or 2269?

 

[Idran]

I think when he says "the story itself", he means Where Time Stands Still, not What Judgments Come.

 

[ryan123450]

Correct. ^

 

[drc]

Going by stardate order, The Time Trap (5267.2) takes place before most Season 3 episodes. Of course you have to ignore the look of the bridge, as Christopher mentioned. I don't know if the second turbolift was ever actually used in any animated episodes, so it's easy to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[ryan123450]

I suppose moving that one episode is the only thing I can do. To bad this issue even occured.

 

[vegaslover62]

Plus there's Chekov's apparent absence to consider.

This is the assumption that really grinds my gears. Just because Chekov's not on the bridge isn't proof he isn't on the ship. "Out of sight, out of mind."

See also: Khan recognizing Chekov in TWOK and everybody making the same assumption about Space Seed.

 

[Christopher]

^Of course it's not proof in isolation, but it's relevant in context with the other evidence that TAS comes later. Evidence is not about fixating on one single point, it's about weighing all the factors together -- including factors that would not be probative by themselves but that can help demonstrate a larger pattern in context.

 

[Markonian]

Allegiance in Exile has Spock put Chekov on a tight cross-department training schedule, explaining Chekov's absence from the bridge during the remainder of the 5YM.

 

[Christopher]

^Whereas in Ex Machina I explained Chekov's absence during TAS by saying he'd left the ship for a few months to try to "find himself," sort of, and attempted (unsuccessfully) to get back together with Irina Galliulin.

 

[ryan123450]

Both of which could be true at different times during the post-TOS portion of the five year mission.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Hi all, just noticed this thread. Yes, some timelines suggest that TAS intersperses with TOS, and David Gerrold once told me that his original intention with the quips at the end of "The Galactic Whirlpool" novel (which cameos Arex and M'Ress), about everyone needing shore leave, is that it leads into "The Trouble With Tribbles".

After several struggles over many years, I realised that TAS works better in literary chronologies if you use Alan Dean Foster's revised novelization dates (rather than airdate order or original stardate order), which sorts the episodes into a new order and provides linking prose and dialogue, tacking them onto the production order TOS episodes. I like to assume that TAS is set towards the end of the 5YM. The terrible destruction suffered by the bridge in the novel "Prime Directive" is a useful explanation point for the changes in TAS (ie. the second bridge entrance/exit being installed prior to TMP).

My "Toon Trek" pages haven't been revised since late 2009, but it was my attempt to track all references to TAS in other tie-ins:
http://andorfiles.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/toon-trek.html

Every Trek novel I've read since then is filled with little bookmarks for the next overhaul!

As for Chekov in TAS: it has been suggested that this very brief scene in "Beyond the Farthest Star", the first episode of TAS, actually uses some early test footage, and that the redshirt is Chekov (now in Security training, reflecting his intended new role in "Phase II" and then TMP). Uhura's chair is also in its TOS position.


Chekov(?) and Sulu by Therin of Andor, on Flickr

Or is it just Scotty in a blooper?

 

[Enterprise1701]

Allegiance in Exile has Spock put Chekov on a tight cross-department training schedule, explaining Chekov's absence from the bridge during the remainder of the 5YM.

^Whereas in Ex Machina I explained Chekov's absence during TAS by saying he'd left the ship for a few months to try to "find himself," sort of, and attempted (unsuccessfully) to get back together with Irina Galliulin.

Sounds to me like the two can mesh together.