Rare to arrest a Time Lord, since they always follow the rules (or are extremely good at hiding it when they do break the rules).
Dr Who 8x11- Dark Water
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Rare to arrest a Time Lord, since they always follow the rules (or are extremely good at hiding it when they do break the rules).
My point is, does the dialogue in Deadly Assassin make that distinction. Do they suggest it's common to arrest a non-Time Lord? I'm trying to figure out whether you can infer that Time Lords are few in number based on that serial or if it's just saying they're law-abiding.
I used 'arrest' as shorthand; the implication in Assassin seems to be that Spandrell's law enforcement duties rarely involve Time Lords, implying that he'd usually be dealing with non-Time Lord malcontents who are nevertheless on Gallifrey.
Just looked up a transcript online: I guess you could just read it as implying that not all Time Lords are as well-connected as a Prydonian. But still, it tends to imply that the Castellan doesn't usually deal with Time Lords...
SPANDRELL: To the Castellan of the Chancery Guard. I've good reason to think the life of His Supremacy the President is in grave danger. Do not ignore this warning. The Doctor. And he signed it over the Prydonian Seal.
ENGIN: Apparently he is or was at one time a member of that noble Chapter.
SPANDRELL: How can you tell?
ENGIN: Well, the biog data extracts of Time Lords are colour coded according to Chapter.
SPANDRELL: I didn't know that.
ENGIN: No? Well, your duties usually involve you with more plebian classes, don't they, Castellan.
Just looked up a transcript online: I guess you could just read it as implying that not all Time Lords are as well-connected as a Prydonian. But still, it tends to imply that the Castellan doesn't usually deal with Time Lords...
SPANDRELL: To the Castellan of the Chancery Guard. I've good reason to think the life of His Supremacy the President is in grave danger. Do not ignore this warning. The Doctor. And he signed it over the Prydonian Seal.
ENGIN: Apparently he is or was at one time a member of that noble Chapter.
SPANDRELL: How can you tell?
ENGIN: Well, the biog data extracts of Time Lords are colour coded according to Chapter.
SPANDRELL: I didn't know that.
ENGIN: No? Well, your duties usually involve you with more plebian classes, don't they, Castellan.
I took that to mean he doesn't deal with the Prydonains, just the lower chapters.
Same thing, surely. No-one cares about the riff-raff.
Though it might be that he wouldn't telepathically sense any of the 'riff-raff'. There's a line in Invisible Enemy about some part of his brain being the bit that linked him to every other Time Lord until they turned it off when they kicked him out; so assuming it was turned on again later, it might still only link him to the elite...
Although, is this something he actually knows for a fact or did he just assume they all died because they were on Gallifrey when he believed it to be destroyed?
With Gallifrey not being destroyed at the end of the Time War, it is possible for any member of that society to have survived. However they are sort of locked in stasis (mostly).
The trouble is that the Doctor thought he destroyed Gallifrey and the Daleks. Or he did destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks, and then 400 years later changed his mind, went back and changed history so he didn't destroy Gallifrey. This would mean that until then Gallifrey was both destroyed and not destroyed. But you couldn't tell which unless you could see through the correct crack in the universe.
As for the Rani. I'm not sure if it was her that was popular or if people just wanted to see Kate O'Mara again. The operation with the Nethersphere doesn't sound like the Rani though. The Rani was pretty down to business. Missy is playing. The Rani doesn't play very well from what I remember. She's serious.
The trouble is that the Doctor thought he destroyed Gallifrey and the Daleks. Or he did destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks, and then 400 years later changed his mind, went back and changed history so he didn't destroy Gallifrey. This would mean that until then Gallifrey was both destroyed and not destroyed. But you couldn't tell which unless you could see through the correct crack in the universe.
As for the Rani. I'm not sure if it was her that was popular or if people just wanted to see Kate O'Mara again. The operation with the Nethersphere doesn't sound like the Rani though. The Rani was pretty down to business. Missy is playing. The Rani doesn't play very well from what I remember. She's serious.
After that terrible episode with the trees this was a good one again. I watched it without much information (only that it was a two part episode and yes, I caught a glimpse of a pic with the cybermen), so the surprises worked for me. Fortunately I forgot about the pic (and the „ghost army“ from season 3) so I didn't expect the corpses to become cybermen.
I also didn't get the different hints with the artworks in the netherspere (representing always the eyes of the cybermen. I reminded me more of TNG's eyes in the darkness).
To me the episode had a nice „classic“ touch. The end was a classic one „Ha ha, it's me, the master“ - how many times have we seen that in the classic series? Which I noticed much more if there is not a week between each episode.
As for Missy/Master: When at first it was said „Missy is a android“ I thought „how typical for Moffat!“ I wasn't really interested in „who is Missy“ since I thought that Moffat has overused the „dark, mysterious woman“ thing over the last seasons with his different „madames“ in his different half-ended story arcs.
So I found it rather nice that Missy was the Master. But I will have to rewatch it to make up my mind completely, which will be tonight when the second part comes too.
I also didn't get the different hints with the artworks in the netherspere (representing always the eyes of the cybermen. I reminded me more of TNG's eyes in the darkness).
To me the episode had a nice „classic“ touch. The end was a classic one „Ha ha, it's me, the master“ - how many times have we seen that in the classic series? Which I noticed much more if there is not a week between each episode.
As for Missy/Master: When at first it was said „Missy is a android“ I thought „how typical for Moffat!“ I wasn't really interested in „who is Missy“ since I thought that Moffat has overused the „dark, mysterious woman“ thing over the last seasons with his different „madames“ in his different half-ended story arcs.
So I found it rather nice that Missy was the Master. But I will have to rewatch it to make up my mind completely, which will be tonight when the second part comes too.
Was anyone else a little underwelmed that all Danny's trauma was because he killed one teenaged boy? Maybe its just sexism on my part, but I would have found it a lot more understandable if say, he'd killed a young girl, or more powerfully, a young mother and child.
Or maybe its because I've seen plenty of images of teenaged middle-eastern boys carrying grenades and rifles.
Or maybe its because I've seen plenty of images of teenaged middle-eastern boys carrying grenades and rifles.
I hope so, because it adds extra beauty to one Time Lord driving twelve TARDISES.
Clara was shown in Adric's place in the Master's web in Castrovalva, which was several stories before Adric died on the freighter.
Yep. That speech the First Doctor was poignant, but in time I'm guessing that Susan came to resent him since he never kept his promise to come back. The Five Doctors notwithstanding, they should have had a proper on-camera goodbye, instead of the Doctor making a speech over a viewscreen.
I wonder how long it took her to find another shoe (the Doctor took the one that had a hole in it).
Definitely. The actor doesn't need to be on screen if it would be too physically taxing; just his voice would be wonderful to hear after all these decades.
Why would Susan have died on Earth, if she had a chance to leave, though? It would have been ironic if one of those elite people in the Ark when the Fourth Doctor, Harry, and Sarah were there turned out to be a regenerated Susan. Earth couldn't have held much appeal for her after she'd seen her husband and several generations of descendants die of old age while she herself was still young (by Gallifreyan standards).
Romana I stated that she was "nearly 140" and the idea was that she was fresh out of the Academy. That would suggest an Earth equivalent of about 22-23 years.
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I think gender was mostly irrelevant, the point was Danny knew he killed an innocent child, and that has haunted him since.
Although, I'll admit I kind of expected his victim to have been female since that would have made the off-hand references earlier in the season to him being a "lady killer" all that much more painful to him.
Oh, please be very careful with that word. Speaking it aloud can shatter a hole in time and space big enough for a galaxy to fall through. Possibly big enough for the interior of a TARDIS to fit in. The legend is that this is how the first one was created.
Is the hole the exact size of Belgium?
That would be a bit undramatic, wouldn't it?
