Dr Who 8x11- Dark Water

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Doctor Who youtube channel has posted a clip of Adric's death at the hand of the Cybermen...
Let's hope it's not the shape of things to come as what happened before, happens again...

 

[Australis]

Brent, re Rani, I take your point.

 

[Marc]

Four/Five series for the First Doctor.
Two for the Second Doctor
Three for the Third Doctor
Two for the Fourth Doctor
And One each for the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Doctors.

Though the old stories vary in length quite a bit with some having rather large episode counts.

Wasn't the Dalek Master Plan a complete season?

 

[The Wormhole]

Four/Five series for the First Doctor.
Two for the Second Doctor
Three for the Third Doctor
Two for the Fourth Doctor
And One each for the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Doctors.

Though the old stories vary in length quite a bit with some having rather large episode counts.

Wasn't the Dalek Master Plan a complete season?

No. Daleks Master Plan is 12 episodes out of a total of 38 from the First Doctor's third season.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The most likely tippable point in the case of Adric, is that the Great Intelligence forced a situation that saved the prat( and the dinosaurs) and then Clara reversed that.

 

[Professor Zoom]

My personal reason for not wanting the Rani:
I want more new villains, more new monster.

Doctor Who is better when it's traversing new ground rather than staring back at itself. It begins circular and insular.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ There's room for both, and a mix is best.

Although, I'm not dying for the Rani to return because she wouldn't add much. In terms of returning villians, there's really none that I'm dying to have return who haven't already returned.

The single character I most want to return is Susan because I think we could flesh her and the Doctor's history out a lot more than they ever did in the classic series. It could really add a lot to both characters.

Mr Awe

 

[Skellington]

^ It would be nice to have Susan and/or Ian turn up or be referenced in a meaningful way before Clara leaves and takes The Coal Hill school with her.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Ian is probably my second, very close second, choice. Agreed, particularly now with the Coal Hill School connection plus his age (90 in less than 2 weeks!).

If they keep delaying his return it'll be just like Nicholas Courtney.

Mr Awe

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Speaking of, a great opportunity for Ian to have cameoed this week would have be to have him be the nameless person making the announcement to the school about Danny's death. It wouldn't impact the story in any way, but bringing in William Russell to do that brief voiceover would have been a perfect and unobtrusive nod to the fandom.

Mark

 

[Lakenheath 72]

IIRC, the Doctor said his family was dead. All Time Lords are citizens of Gallifrey, and not all citizens of Gallifrey are Time Lords. And a person doesn't need to be a Time Lord to open the TARDIS doors. My point is this - Susan might not have been a Time Lady. She may have her homeworld without attending the Academy, which seems to be the place where a person becomes a Time Lord or Lady. I think Susan died on Earth.

The Classic Who implied that the Doctor, the Master, and the Rani weren't the only Time Lords to leave Gallifrey. We had the Monk and a friend of the Doctor, mentioned in "Planet of the Spiders", and all those killed by House. It would have been nice to have expanded the list, and create a new villain.

I have heard it said that Moffat has no plans to bring back the Rani. I don't know why he is against bringing back this character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is why Ian is pissed off.

He's been preparing for the Dalek Invasion of 2158, becoming a billionaire, organizing arks and repositories to help in he rebuilding of Earth, oh he's smart enough to know that he shouldn't "try" to stop it from happening, but what happens after the TARDIS leaves without Susan is completely fair game.

First the Battle of Canary Wharf, and then the all out invasion in 2009 is why the man should be LIVID!

 

[Mr Awe]

I think Susan died on Earth.

Maybe, maybe not. Even if she did die on Earth, so did Shakespeare and Van Gogh, and the Doctor still visited them and even travelled with Van Gogh.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Light]

Just so I have my terminology right, I know there were weirdo anti-technology outcasts who lived in the wilderness, but if you lived in the proper cities you are a Time Lord/Lady right?

 

[Skellington]

According to The Deadly Assassin (novelisation, anyway) there were only ever 305 Type 40 TARDISes. Even if the Type 40 had an unusually limited run, this suggests a relatively small number of Time Lords, given that Gallifrey is a populous planet (2.4 billion "children" at the end of the Time War, though gods know what a "child" is to the Doctor - possibly anyone under 200 years old qualifies).

The same story seems to treat the Time Lords as an elite club, aloof from the concerns of the masses - with their Capitol being kind of like the Vatican or a highly exclusive university. I'm good with that.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Yeah, but remember - a TARDIS is supposed to be "driven" by six Time Lords.

Or at least, thats what the Doctor says in Journey's End.

 

[Mr Light]

what I mean is, doesn't "Time Lord" refer to the population in general and not in the ones who graduated the Academy and became time travellers?

 

[Skellington]

Yeah, but remember - a TARDIS is supposed to be "driven" by six Time Lords.

Or at least, thats what the Doctor says in Journey's End.

He was just trying to make Rose. 10B, Jack etc feel needed.
Anyway, it's six pilots/operators - not necessarily aristocracy, I think. Possibly the Doctor had spent time overseeing pilots on official trips in a TARDIS and reckoned he could pilot one on his own.

 

[diankra]

what I mean is, doesn't "Time Lord" refer to the population in general and not in the ones who graduated the Academy and became time travellers?

Some of the dialogue in Deadly Assassin implies that it's rare for Castellan Spandrell to have to arrest a Time Lord, implying that most of Gallifrey's population aren't Time Lords.
That sort of fits with other implications that being Time Lord is both a matter of birth and qualification; your ancestry gives you the automatic chance to take the exams, but you still have to pass. And "more plebian classes" [to quote Goth to Spandrell in Assassin] (or aliens?) maybe have to pass earlier exams before they can even attend an academy (and Listen implies that even a well-connected Prydonian like the Doctor doesn't automatically get in). [It'as all very like Republican Rome, really].
Two bits of 'Didn't make it to screen'; the story Invasion of Time replaced was to have shown that the Time Lords weren't native to Gallifrey, but had just 'rented' somewhere for their capitol from the cat-like natives. And one idea for season 27 would have written Ace out by having the Doctor get her into an academy to train as a Time Lord....

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Rather rare to arrest a Time Lord or rather rare to make an arrest?