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The Walking Dead Season 5

Bad groups:
Terminus
Woodbury
The Claimers
The Bar Duelers (Who had a group somewhere)
The Prisoners (Who weren't all bad, but made for a bad time)
The Governor's Gypsies (Who also weren't all bad, but were likewise bad times)
Whoever kidnapped Beth (Which is still up in the air, but likely)

The bottom line is they've only come across one group without any conflictual people. Tyrese's group had conflictual people. The Vatos nearly warred with them. Even the original group had Carol's husband & Merle. Hershel's family were the only fully decent people they encountered, & they still nearly lost Carl on accident
 
"You think this is living?"

Actually yeah, the hospital looks pretty good so far. Except for the latest tyrant of course, but she's not that bad.

Oh, and I didn't recognize Keisha Castle-Hughes.
 
Well, I guess they couldn't have picked a worse person to underestimate than Carol. If they think she's going to be a submissive weakling, they got a swift kick in the ©≅%# coming

I'm Guessing Daryl found Beth's new friend
 
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Sort of my thought, the only bad group they've encountered is The Governor and his followers and then the Termites. Occsional bad people, the guys in the bar in S2, but over the course of a couple years they've only truly met one bad group, Terminus, as The Governor was more of a single bad individual charismatic and devious enough to get people to follow him.

The Governor's henchmen were just as sadistic. Do we forget their merciless killing of the National Guard unit? How Martinez was more than willing to take part in the attempted execution of Glenn & Maggie? They were all adults consciously electing to do whatever they believed necessary in order to secure their base, not hapless pawns. This also applies to the Governor 2.0 group, who had no problems attempting a violent takeover of a place with children and ill adults.

Randall's group was more than the two in the bar, and were violent. The prison's Tomas and Andrew tried to kill Rick & company, and Andrew returned to be the direct cause of T-Dog being bitten and very likely triggered stressed induced labor in Lori, while she was separated from Hershel. then, as others mentioned, there was Joe's gang.

By this time in the series, aside from Morgan, the ill-fated hitch hiker and the family on the tracks to Terminus, all human encounters with outsiders have been violent and/or deadly. That said, waltzing into yet another human camp--when the odds have been against pleasant encounters--was not wise at all.

Well, I guess they couldn't have picked a worse person to underestimate than Carol. If they think she's going to be a submissive weakling, they got a swift kick in the C%#$ coming

Unless she was attacked / injured by the police. Some production photos sort of suggest something of that nature. Is she faking injury to infiltrate the hospital?

I'm Guessing Daryl found Beth's new friend
I'm not sure about Noah just yet, but I too believe he was Daryl's mystery guest.
 
So now we have three plot threads to follow? Abraham and the Arlington-bound group, the core-group and Beth.

I was hoping this episode would reunite Beth/Daryl/Carol/New Guy and they'd head-off to meet Rick and the others but I guess we need to have several story lines going at once.

Good episode, I actually really like Beth and Emily does a great job with the character but I'm not entirely sure she's enough to carry an episode essentially on her own with a host of new characters.

Though Everybody Hates Chris, guy could be interesting. Though he's gone, likely to meet-up with Daryl at some point and maybe bring the rest of the group to Atlanta for the moment?

And... Atlanta?! Did Beth just get drug two steps back or have our characters really been hanging out in the woods just outside of Atlanta for the last 18 months-2 years?

Creepy, F'd-up stuff going on in the St. Mary's Hospital of Indentured Servitude.

I wonder if Carol really is injured or if maybe it's a gambit her and Daryl are playing after encountering "Chris" and learning what's going on?

Good episode, next week we're catching up with the Arlington-Bound Group/Abraham. Man, this is a good show, but this sort of story telling is sort of tedious.
 
Whatever the circumstances of Carol's abduction/infiltration/injury, she is clearly a force to be reckoned with, unlike anything they expect

And I don't care what anyone says. That place Beth was abducted was a trap. So Daryl is probably going to be super pissed, because now he's lost two people to them
 
so were the hospital cops in that car that zipped by Daryl and Carol? Did they follow it to the hospital and find Noah?
 
^I'm thinking so. The crucifix cars were in the parking lot at the end. Those are their vehicles
 
So now we have three plot threads to follow? Abraham and the Arlington-bound group, the core-group and Beth.

I was hoping this episode would reunite Beth/Daryl/Carol/New Guy and they'd head-off to meet Rick and the others but I guess we need to have several story lines going at once.

Good episode, I actually really like Beth and Emily does a great job with the character but I'm not entirely sure she's enough to carry an episode essentially on her own with a host of new characters.

Though Everybody Hates Chris, guy could be interesting. Though he's gone, likely to meet-up with Daryl at some point and maybe bring the rest of the group to Atlanta for the moment?

And... Atlanta?! Did Beth just get drug two steps back or have our characters really been hanging out in the woods just outside of Atlanta for the last 18 months-2 years?

I am having a hard time finding a map for the show...but from what i understand, Woodbury was SOUTH of Atlanta, and Terminus was Macon(also South of Atlanta).

And timeline (my guess):
1-2 months of Atlanta then the farm
5 months "out there" somewhere (in the midst of winter)
6 months at the prison until the 1st Governor meeting
4-6 months of the governor wandering then "recovering"

.

I wonder if Carol really is injured or if maybe it's a gambit her and Daryl are playing after encountering "Chris" and learning what's going on?

Good episode, next week we're catching up with the Arlington-Bound Group/Abraham. Man, this is a good show, but this sort of story telling is sort of tedious.

i think it works -- we can have a FULL story with a small group of characters...especially as Beth hasn't had much time. It'll come together soon enough (2 weeks for Beth)

Sort of my thought, the only bad group they've encountered is The Governor and his followers and then the Termites. Occsional bad people, the guys in the bar in S2, but over the course of a couple years they've only truly met one bad group, Terminus, as The Governor was more of a single bad individual charismatic and devious enough to get people to follow him.

The Governor's henchmen were just as sadistic. Do we forget their merciless killing of the National Guard unit? How Martinez was more than willing to take part in the attempted execution of Glenn & Maggie? They were all adults consciously electing to do whatever they believed necessary in order to secure their base, not hapless pawns. This also applies to the Governor 2.0 group, who had no problems attempting a violent takeover of a place with children and ill adults.

Randall's group was more than the two in the bar, and were violent. The prison's Tomas and Andrew tried to kill Rick & company, and Andrew returned to be the direct cause of T-Dog being bitten and very likely triggered stressed induced labor in Lori, while she was separated from Hershel. then, as others mentioned, there was Joe's gang.

By this time in the series, aside from Morgan, the ill-fated hitch hiker and the family on the tracks to Terminus, all human encounters with outsiders have been violent and/or deadly. That said, waltzing into yet another human camp--when the odds have been against pleasant encounters--was not wise at all.

Well, I guess they couldn't have picked a worse person to underestimate than Carol. If they think she's going to be a submissive weakling, they got a swift kick in the C%#$ coming

Unless she was attacked / injured by the police. Some production photos sort of suggest something of that nature. Is she faking injury to infiltrate the hospital?

I'm Guessing Daryl found Beth's new friend
I'm not sure about Noah just yet, but I too believe he was Daryl's mystery guest.

i really doubt that CArol faked the injuries...even if Noah explained how the hospital operates -- seems too hard to fake injury to credibly do it....but i guess Carol would be perfect "spy" as we know she's Rambo, but has a real history to fake being weak...my initial thought is doubting it...but i COULD be wrong,and it not bother me in the least!

However,i don't anticipate seeing that for 2 weeks.
 
First of all, I really liked this episode. There was a good sense of dread throughout, because I was worried that Beth would be raped or just plain killed (she's been a primo candidate for a season or two now). I like her, and similar to a number of others, her character has really grown, while still maintaining a strong moral core.

I really liked that smile from her after Noah escaped.

I'm a little bummed that Noah didn't try to help her though, but since he had a bum leg and no gun or weapon (pick up a stick buddy!) he knew that he had to go 100% just to escape for himself, let alone try to help Beth too.


I love the non-specific answers in this episode.
How many people are there her? Enough.
How long have you been here? Long enough.

And I don't care what anyone says. That place Beth was abducted was a trap.
Thanks so much for the reminder of the actual trap that they stocked for people. All through the episode I was wondering if she was really hurt when they picked her up, or if they just clocked her on the back of the head and kidnapped her.

The fact that it was a trap pretty much settles it.



As for Carol, my initial thought was that she's faking it, and just sneaking in in plain sight. We'll see. Other people are correct that you can't fake injuries, but I guess we'll just have to wait and find out. And considering how this episode unfolded after the cliffhanger last week, and how it seems like we may be getting all Abraham next week, we might have a bit of a wait here before finding out if Daryl's return to the church was just him and Noah coming to get backup to take on the slave-owner rapecops, or if it's post-rescue, and Beth pops out. Or Carol, or Noah, with the other ones dead.

Oooh, I got a good one: how about if Daryl captured one of the cops, and is bringing him back to help plan a rescue of Beth and Carol. Or another possibility: Daryl and Carol found a good cop (there's probably one or two good ones there, but if there's a big battle showdown in a few weeks, you know they'll stand with their brethren) who helped Carol sneak in, and now he's going with Daryl to see that there really still are groups of good people out there who don't need to turn others into slaves to survive.

The best guess is that Noah told Daryl and Carol about Beth, and that's when Carol decided to infiltrate, while Daryl went back for reinforcements. So that's Noah there in the bushes behind Daryl.





For the people who said the hospital isn't too bad, which of these two options is closer to what you think of as civilization:
A) mopping the floors, and raping people
B) sleeping in the leaves and dirt, and not raping people



And yes, here we have yet another group of people that are bad people. Surely there are some other good people still out there.

For that matter, does anyone remember that camp of people that the governor found in the woods when he was trying to hook up with his new group? Do we have any idea who killed them? Was it the governor or his new group? Or are there just more and more bad people roaming around out there?
 
5 months "out there" somewhere (in the midst of winter)

The time between Season 2 and Season 3 is the better part of 9, maybe 10, months. Lori goes from pregnant for a couple weeks after missing her period (having had sex with both Shane and Rick pretty much on the same day, at the quarry lake) to being full term and even overdue in the start of Season 3. So an entire gestation period passes between seasons.

Your suggested timeline would also put Judith at nearly a year old now, which she isn't. She's closer to maybe 6 or 8 months old as she's not yet walking or even really talking, or trying to talk.

This TIMELINE seems a bit more accurate and puts the series of events from the entire series as happening in around a year and a half, and that's since the global outbreak began, in it, Rick wakes up on Day 60.
 
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And yes, here we have yet another group of people that are bad people. Surely there are some other good people still out there.

For that matter, does anyone remember that camp of people that the governor found in the woods when he was trying to hook up with his new group? Do we have any idea who killed them? Was it the governor or his new group? Or are there just more and more bad people roaming around out there?
I think the general gist is that there are three types of groups. All out terrible, terrible with some people who aren't terrible but have to go along with it, and struggling to be not terrible. The hospital & Terminus for that matter seem to be suggesting that the terrible groups clearly evolve out of circumstances that drove them to it, and not only are some of them not terrible, but maybe none of them were at one time

Point being, even if a group is decent, you run the risk of confrontation, just by the nature of the world. You can't follow the ways of civility any longer. You have to accept people but do so on different terms
 
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Fine episode. Nice to see Beth alive but not sure she's in the best of positions. Hopefully Carol (who I didn't think was Carol until this thread pointed it out) will be of some help.

So now we have three plot threads to follow? Abraham and the Arlington-bound group, the core-group and Beth.
And Morgan seeing the aftermath.

I was hoping this episode would reunite Beth/Daryl/Carol/New Guy and they'd head-off to meet Rick and the others but....
Agree.
 
First of all, I really liked this episode. There was a good sense of dread throughout, because I was worried that Beth would be raped or just plain killed (she's been a primo candidate for a season or two now). I like her, and similar to a number of others, her character has really grown, while still maintaining a strong moral core.

Now that Dawn does not trust Beth, will Beth keep her relation to Carol quiet (for Carol's safety), or immediately form a plan of escape?

I really liked that smile from her after Noah escaped.

I'm a little bummed that Noah didn't try to help her though, but since he had a bum leg and no gun or weapon (pick up a stick buddy!) he knew that he had to go 100% just to escape for himself, let alone try to help Beth too.

Noah is a mystery with his statement about his captors not knowing who he is. He could be hinting at a connection to another group--or is he (as some believe) a plant working for the hospital? Obviously, the trailer reveals a fight on the streets between Rick's group and another party...I'm thinking Dawn's police group. For all we know, they could responsible for the crash of Abraham's bus as seen in the trailer.


The best guess is that Noah told Daryl and Carol about Beth, and that's when Carol decided to infiltrate, while Daryl went back for reinforcements. So that's Noah there in the bushes behind Daryl.



For the people who said the hospital isn't too bad, which of these two options is closer to what you think of as civilization:
A) mopping the floors, and raping people
B) sleeping in the leaves and dirt, and not raping people

Yes--there's nothing good about the hospital, so once again, another human collective is patently evil. All of Dawn's "greater good" nonsense is just another way of inflicting her own "world" on victims for whatever end-goal she has.

Speaking of that end-goal, someone has to dig into her mind, and press her about the "others" trying to rebuild society. Any contact post ZA? Pipe dream? Assumption? If everyone jumps on Eugene about the D.C. cure, certainly someone needs to do the same with Dawn.
 
I must have totally spaced, and I did watch it. When did Carol show up???

She's on a gurney in the final scene as Beth is about ready to what appears to try to kill the Dr.

Regarding this episode. Meh, it was OK. Couple of nitpicks - how could car batteries power an AC powered ventilator? Also, what's powering the lights in the building? And if they had power, why wouldn't Beth and other guy take an elevator down to the 1st floor? Presumably that's how she and the Dr. went to the basement.

The show to some degree IMO is start to become a rinse/repeat of group gets together and then separates and faces some external threat ineviatably to likely reunite minus one key character who gets killed in some horrifc way.
 
Some people here have mentioned that Carol looks fairly beat up on that gurney and that it couldn't be faked. Well, it's not. I am guessing she knew it would have to look convincing in order to infiltrate so she forced Daryl to rough her up. A situation she's used to from her husband.

That's why the last time we see Daryl he looks so pissed. He had to do something he finds totally reprehensible.
 
Noah is a mystery with his statement about his captors not knowing who he is. He could be hinting at a connection to another group--or is he (as some believe) a plant working for the hospital?

Being a plant is an interesting idea, and it's totally plausible, but I just don't see it. They don't know anything about Beth other than that she was with Daryl. If they did know about a larger group, I doubt they would want to lure them toward the hospital. These people selectively choose who they want. That's why they have Carol and Beth, and not Daryl. They don't want a larger conflict, which is what I'm sure they'll get. I'm not sure a plant could really infiltrate such a group and take only the weak ones with.

While it was interesting to see what happened to Beth and a different group, something about the episode just felt kind of lackluster. I thought by next week the person in the bushes would be resolved, but now it seems like that won't be revealed for a few more episodes (maybe even the mid-season finale?). It'll be interesting to see next week's episode... I'm guessing a lot of it is going to be flashbacks of Abraham.
 
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