Everybody needs at least one good party trick.
Is Ensign Kim the whiniest character ever?
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Everybody needs at least one good party trick.
This is Soren, a member of the genderless race known as the J'naii, from the episode boldly entitled: "The Outcast." She is a throwback, a female, for whom Commander William T. Riker would compromise his Social Position ...Was that the girl who was actually not a girl but a sort of androgynous person?
My TNG knowledge is a bit nil...
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Luke's got nothing on his old man...the pre-pan-fried version.
Whether Harry Kim is the whiniest or just one of the whiniest characters is a rather moot point, no one wins in a race to the bottom.
The fact is Harry Kim is a waste of character, he acts like a petulant child and never grows as a character. He should have had a bad ass moment where he does something awesome, gets a promotion and becomes a more confident character, since that didn't happen, the character never grew and quickly became pointless. If he did die during Scorpion, it would not have really affected anything in the later seasons, that is how irrelevant the character was.
The fact is Harry Kim is a waste of character, he acts like a petulant child and never grows as a character. He should have had a bad ass moment where he does something awesome, gets a promotion and becomes a more confident character, since that didn't happen, the character never grew and quickly became pointless. If he did die during Scorpion, it would not have really affected anything in the later seasons, that is how irrelevant the character was.
He's also an Asian-American male. Hollywood doesn't have much of a track record for making Asian male characters strong, unless they're chopsocky stereotypes or the wise old man on the mountain. Even Sulu on Star Trek started out with nerdy habits like being the math whiz and having hobbies like botany, and unlike every other major male character, he was never given a love interest on the show.
If people don't understand the show they will stop watching.
Seeing Lieutenant Kim without seeing the episode where he gets promoted will hurt the tiny brains of the audience.
They will stop watching, until the following summer, during reruns when they can see what they need to see so that Voyager finally makes sense again.
I am not describing 1 or 2 weirdos, but at least 1/2, maybe 3/4's of the audience.
Or at least these were the fears at Paramount.
Seeing Lieutenant Kim without seeing the episode where he gets promoted will hurt the tiny brains of the audience.
They will stop watching, until the following summer, during reruns when they can see what they need to see so that Voyager finally makes sense again.
I am not describing 1 or 2 weirdos, but at least 1/2, maybe 3/4's of the audience.
Or at least these were the fears at Paramount.
This whole promotion thing is stupid. Let's say he was promoted.. so? How would this change his character or the stories about him? It would change nothing. He would just have one more pip.
It would make him marriage material.
These things snow ball.
These things snow ball.
He definitely should have been promoted. Or do ensigns really do all the important stuff Harry Kim did from episode to episode? He does more than Troi and she took command of the Enterprise in that one episode. It would show the character making some sort of progress. He would no longer be "that guy who was stuck at Ensign for an entire series."
I also don't get the hate for the actor, he seems pretty good especially in Timeless.
I also don't get the hate for the actor, he seems pretty good especially in Timeless.
I don't hate Garrett. I said he whined.
I've been wondering that. Does all his awesome deeds cancel out the "can't get a lock." factor.
Should he get promoted just because of of Timeless? Should Janeway have? I thought violating temporal time lines was a no-no except when it suits a majority doesn't it?
He should have after Killing Game. He did quite bit of cleverness on his end. Janeway would be screwed.
I've been wondering that. Does all his awesome deeds cancel out the "can't get a lock." factor.
Should he get promoted just because of of Timeless? Should Janeway have? I thought violating temporal time lines was a no-no except when it suits a majority doesn't it?
He should have after Killing Game. He did quite bit of cleverness on his end. Janeway would be screwed.
He should have been kicked out of Starfleet because of The Killing Game.
A month passed between the Hirogen taking over the ship and where we picked up on the story.
Once it became clear that rescuing the crew was impossible, allowing their torture, objectification, rape (literal and figurative) and ongoing murders to go on for possibly forever seems UNCONSCIONABLE!
Kim is a traitor, a collaborator or both.
It should have been his first duty to blow up the ship.
Left alone in the guts of Voyager with no supervision growing the holodecks, it was completely within his power to end the torment and suffering of his so called friends and family, but Harry allowed the Killing Game to go on for 30 days because he was a wussy who was unwilling to show his crew the mercy they needed.
And by "his" crew, there's a further argument at hand that by default Harry Kim was Voyager's Captain during the Killing Game, even though the script says that a significant portion of the crew (including Naomi?) were confined to quarters for unknown but obvious reasons that some of his superiors were not brainwashed and unwilling to play ball with he Hirogen.
A month passed between the Hirogen taking over the ship and where we picked up on the story.
Once it became clear that rescuing the crew was impossible, allowing their torture, objectification, rape (literal and figurative) and ongoing murders to go on for possibly forever seems UNCONSCIONABLE!
Kim is a traitor, a collaborator or both.
It should have been his first duty to blow up the ship.
Left alone in the guts of Voyager with no supervision growing the holodecks, it was completely within his power to end the torment and suffering of his so called friends and family, but Harry allowed the Killing Game to go on for 30 days because he was a wussy who was unwilling to show his crew the mercy they needed.
And by "his" crew, there's a further argument at hand that by default Harry Kim was Voyager's Captain during the Killing Game, even though the script says that a significant portion of the crew (including Naomi?) were confined to quarters for unknown but obvious reasons that some of his superiors were not brainwashed and unwilling to play ball with he Hirogen.
Maybe he should also have gone back in time and blown up all the concentration camps.
I doubt he would be capable of doing it without a direct order.
Telling the ship to kill itself is one way to go.
More importantly, if you have the right command codes, nothing is going to be left behind. No cultural contamination effecting any ones Prime Directive rights that might come across the hulk ten thousand years later.
Although, the Hirogen would have held a knife to someone's throat, opened it, and then another someone's throat, opened it, and then another someone's throat and opened it until Kim told the ship that the Hirogen were charge and that they were allowed, no, that they deserved command codes.
(TRAITOR!)
Meanwhile with a spanner Harry Kim can cause a blockage or unlock a pipe that's supposed to be fastened and an hour later the ship blows up
Hell, turn the safteys off on he holodeck and replicate a dozen torpedoes.
Shoot the warp core with a Phaser. Boom.
Shoot the warp core in a shuttle with a phaser. Boom.
It's really a miracle that Starships don't just blow up on their own every day.
It gives the character a turning point and by doing something awesome to earn that promotion, it shows that he is putting effort into improving himself and making inroads into showing the crew what he can do. It is a reward for him that proves he has the right stuff. Who wants to see a Ensign that stays that way for 7 years, it makes him look like that pathetic version of Picard from Tapestry, that he is a loser with no real drive or initiative, audiences don't want to see a character who is not proactive.
Really, how it would have hurt Harry Kim as a character, if he got a promotion? I think that would give him a place to grow and develop rather then staying stagnant as an Ensign for 7 years.
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He becomes Morgan Freeman?
