Even had it been real, I suspect the Doctor wouldn't have been inclined to reveal the truth or correct Clara till after he knew why she was doing what she was doing. He was testing her, he always had the upper hand--real or not.
Dr Who 8x11- Dark Water
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Even had it been real, I suspect the Doctor wouldn't have been inclined to reveal the truth or correct Clara till after he knew why she was doing what she was doing. He was testing her, he always had the upper hand--real or not.
But less so, and at least we'd have had another character back with The Rani. Or Susan. Or Romana. Or the Doctors daughter. Or...
Does it make any difference with the other Gallifreyan's gone ?
Possibly, but he had already dumped his consciousness into his ring. Not sure how it all plays together.
My wife and I had a running bet about Missy's identity. She thought it was the Great Intelligence, I thought it was the Master. The Doctor's face when he felt Missy's heartbeat told me what I needed to know. A damn shame the bet wasn't for money.
So now... the Cyberman in the room with Clara. Is it Danny? Did Missy's activation of the tombs upgrade Danny before he could dump his humanity? And what of Danny Name-Is-The-Same-As-His-Shirt-Colour? How does Clara descend into Cyber hell to retrieve her beloved? Or is this where she realises the price of travelling with the Doctor is too high?
Yeah, throughout that scene I was thinking "The keys don't matter if the TARDIS will just open up if he clicks his fingers." So she would have to have been a very bad mood to turn him down (though this might just explain why she doesn't like Clara: see the Clara and the TARDIS mini-sode).
As others have said, the Nethersphere is a Matrix knock-off the Master's got hold of (fair enough, he was the one worked out what you would do with it back in Deadly Assassin) and the actual Cybermen are in the real world, controlled by their (edited) minds in the Nethersphere. Which makes it possible that the wi-fi drop-outs will be the way the Doctor solves it all. Or preferably, something he hopes will solve it, and then doesn't work so he has to come up with something less obvious.
As a probably accidental side note, this idea makes it just possibly that the Cybermen in Army of Ghosts actually were the late people who they were assumed to be (like Rose's grandad).
I suspect the Clara haters aren't going to be too thrilled with this one, lol.
Name on the chair is Dr Sakorsa [sic?]. So I don't think it's Danny. Besides Danny's body is waiting to be cremated; so other than his mind, are we even sure W3 has Danny's body?
Possibly, but he had already dumped his consciousness into his ring. Not sure how it all plays together.
My wife and I had a running bet about Missy's identity. She thought it was the Great Intelligence, I thought it was the Master. The Doctor's face when he felt Missy's heartbeat told me what I needed to know. A damn shame the bet wasn't for money.
So now... the Cyberman in the room with Clara. Is it Danny? Did Missy's activation of the tombs upgrade Danny before he could dump his humanity? And what of Danny Name-Is-The-Same-As-His-Shirt-Colour? How does Clara descend into Cyber hell to retrieve her beloved? Or is this where she realises the price of travelling with the Doctor is too high?
Which for me fits perfectly with Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 - "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun."
So the dead are dead. Their consciousness is gone. That's it, game over. Unless, of course, someone managed to selectively snatch their consciousness and upload it to a bit of Time Lord tech and coercively edit it for their own means, such as building a Cyberman army...
^ And still crazy after all these years. 
I think it had to be the Master just because the plan is too batshit crazy for anyone sane. Like why go to the trouble of stealing consciousness across space and time storing it in some crazy Galifreyan tech, steal bodies and maintain and manage an internment facility just to have an army of rubbish Cyberman? Not to mention having tea and welcoming the dead. Why not just build an army of robot death troopers?
I've just got to say... I called it. I called it from the very beginning of the season. 
I know, right? We're supposed to forget that and worry about keys being thrown away?
They don't have all the bodies yet, which is how the burners are burning.
Sgt. Pink kills a children. How is that specific to the military career? He could have killed a child as a police officer or as a taxi driver or a daily commuter. I would have thought that the act that catalyzed Sgt Pink into leaving the service would be more tied to his occupation and to what he was saying earlier this season.
If the Matrix stores the personalities and memory of each individual, then the robots in "Deep Breath" and "Robot of Sherwood" are artificial intelligence lifeforms. They can't be a mundane robot.
If the Matrix stores the personalities and memory of each individual, then the robots in "Deep Breath" and "Robot of Sherwood" are artificial intelligence lifeforms. They can't be a mundane robot.
Yeah, and he would then be in jail (or, if a cop, at least losing his badge depending on the circumstances). Instead he comes home and right back into a normal life, if not a hero's welcome. I can't really speak for any real life soldiers, but I have to imagine taking a child's life - a child not trying to kill you - and not being in any real way punished for it would mess with your mind something fierce.
Well yes, he could have done. But after nearly 13 years of British forces in action in Afghanistan or Iraq, and all the debates that's provoked (and all the coverage in other dramas, including it providing the initial spark for Sherlock. And anyone who doesn't see an influence from Homeland here hasn't watched Homeland), making his 'guilt' be an error he made as a soldier is... well, anything else would have seemed like a cop-out (and the contradictions in the Doctor's attitude over it may well play out in some way once UNIT turns up).
And it's not as if it's unprecedented: in his novelisation of The Silurians, Malcom Hulke goes into detail about how the 'unfortunate incident' in Major Baker(/Barker; the spelling changes in the book)'s past happened while he was serving in Northern Ireland, in a very very political way given that it was an ongoing situation at the time.
"she was a bad girl."
-11th Doctor in "The Doctors Wife" referring to The Corsair, another Time Lord who was only sometimes a guy.
Which still leaves open the Rani.
