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Dr Who 8x11- Dark Water

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When she started into the spiel about being a Time Lady the Doctor had abandoned and being old-fashioned, I thought for a moment that it was going to be Romana.

The Haunting said:
Apart from 75% of people watching going "Who the fuck is Susan..."
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Bad thought, bad thought: Susan is the daughter of the offspring of the Mistress and the 12th/1st Doctor.

...and I'm sure there's a slashfic of that out there somewhere.
 
After all that kissing, Susan would be out of the question.

The episode was good, but I'm left with so many questions.
How couldn't the doctor detect Missy was a time lord? 10 claimed to be able to sense it.
If Missy is invading present day earth, why abduct dead people from the past and future (Deep Breath and Into the Dalek)?
Does Missy have a Tardis?
 
Lonemagpie said:
It doubly hacks me off that the early parts include a line or two that at least two people I know really will get a major psychological reassurance/revelation out of, and one of them will then be utterly turned against it because of that last line.

The problem is that Dr/Master slash subverts the intended relationship, whereas one being female and calling the other her boyfriend just turns it into heteronormative surface gloss for a cheap laugh... And it proves that Moffat's rep for cleverness is based on total bluff - it's as much an illusion as the world's cash reserves....
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Depends if Capaldi regenerates into Olivia Colman on Christmas Day. That'd make things interesting.

I'm not sure what people were expecting? It is like the Tesselecta again, but only because fans feel somehow shortchanged because the twist makes sense? The essence of a good twist is that it should make sense.

Moffat's always been about smoke and mirrors IMO, that's what I like about him most of the time (that and the snazzy dialogue)

Yet again he proves, clever or not, that he's a great writer (IMO obviously)
 
SeerSGB said:
Iamnotspock said:
The Haunting said:
Apart from 75% of people watching going "Who the fuck is Susan..."
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"Which Time Lady?!"

"The one you abandoned... Grandfather."
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Is Susan a Time Lady? Gallifreyan, certainly. But Gallifreyan =/= Time Lord Or Time Lady. We don't know if she went to the Academy or not.
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I forget the episode but Susan demonstrated telepathy during the classic series. Also Susan was stated to be quite intelligent for her age. Although possessing the body of a young girl, I believe the Doctor once told Barbra that Susan was the same age as her (Barbra) and Ian.
 
I am attempting to wrap my mind around the premise of this episode.

So, a person dies, then he/she is split into two parts - one that is present outside Netherspace and one that is in Netherspace. They are connected, with the dead requesting that they don't be cremated. The part that is in Netherspace turns into a skeleton that is then converted into a Cybermen. And, knowing the Master has an intense desire to destroy Earth because this is the Doctor's favorite planet and, now, home, how will he accomplish this? If the two parts are connected, why not burn the lot and destroy the Cybermen that way?

The reason that I don't like the Master stories is that they constantly undermined his credibility as a believable villain. He concocts mad schemes which, in far too many instances, lands him in trouble and he needs to be bailed out by the Doctor. The Master is an indestructible idiot.

I predict that this episode will be divisive with the fans.

(Susan demonstrated telepathy in "The Sensorites". It is not clear, to me, that she is a Time Lady. When she leaves for a life with David in 22nd century Earth, the Doctor says that she will live life as a normal woman.)
 
"Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?"

Awesome. That line alone utterly redeems any flaws that might be present elsewhere in the episode.
 
Oddly enough: I really enjoyed the fact that they addressed the paradox of the Doctor saving Danny and why it'll never work by simply going back in time.
 
Don't get me wrong, though - I did love all actual material of tonight's episode - the Clara/Danny stuff, the Doctor's lines about why he still helps, and how he's what Clara deserves, and, yes, the chemistry between Gomez and Capaldi - I've got no problem with that....
 
Lakenheath 72 said:
I am attempting to wrap my mind around the premise of this episode.

So, a person dies, then he/she is split into two parts - one that is present outside Netherspace and one that is in Netherspace. They are connected, with the dead requesting that they don't be cremated. The part that is in Netherspace turns into a skeleton that is then converted into a Cybermen. And, knowing the Master has an intense desire to destroy Earth because this is the Doctor's favorite planet and, now, home, how will he accomplish this? If the two parts are connected, why not burn the lot and destroy the Cybermen that way?
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Its Nethersphere, not Netherspace. The Nethersphere is the spherical thingy floating in the middle of the institute and a piece of Timelord technology. Its basically a huge hard drive that's storing the mind of the "dead" people, allowing Missy to psychologically manipulate them into accepting the Cyberman conversion process. Meanwhile, I believe the physical body is being Cyberconverted while being submersed in the Dark Water. Since Dark Water acts like X-Ray and shows only organic components, the Cyberman's body which is technological would not appear when submerged in Dark Water. So all we see is the skeleton within the Cyber-body and we only see the full converted Cyberman when the water is drained.

I have a question of my own. How are the robots in Deep Breath and Robots of Sherwood connected to this? Why are they looking for the Promised Land?
 
chardman said:
"Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?"

Awesome. That line alone utterly redeems any flaws that might be present elsewhere in the episode.
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That and the "I'm exactly the friend you deserve" lines really made it for me.
 
Lakenheath 72 said:
I am attempting to wrap my mind around the premise of this episode.

So, a person dies, then he/she is split into two parts - one that is present outside Netherspace and one that is in Netherspace. They are connected, with the dead requesting that they don't be cremated. The part that is in Netherspace turns into a skeleton that is then converted into a Cybermen.
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Not quite- Ollie, er, I mean Seb, and Dr Chang pretty much say this, but in real life it's a memory pattern being uploaded to the Matrix slicer thing, while the body is cyber-converted, and the mind copy (doubtless edited to see things differently and accept control) is downloaded back into the Cyberman.
 
dctarget said:
Did they ever say what WWW stands for?
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Skarosa heard three words from the afterlife: Don't Cremate Me. Those are the "three words" that change peoples life.

Crap..."Don't cremate me"...The Master...could it have been The Master screaming through the pyschic link when 10th burned his body?
 
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