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Since during my first viewing of Voyager I hated Kes I laughed my ass off at Fury.
Here's Kes, your favorite character bwahaha she looks hideous and we are gonna BLOW her UP! I though it was great.
Since then of course I have read for years people handwringing over her character destruction and tiny bits of sympathy have formed on my hardened heart. Like mold perhaps, but its there.
Here's Kes, your favorite character bwahaha she looks hideous and we are gonna BLOW her UP! I though it was great.
Since then of course I have read for years people handwringing over her character destruction and tiny bits of sympathy have formed on my hardened heart. Like mold perhaps, but its there.
I think watching Voyager straight through for the past 5 months is taking it's toll a little bit. It helps that my shows are back but I think I'm going to watch season 7 and do some reading on the side as well. It's been a while since I've read anything.
Out of Season Six, probably my favorite episode was "Equinox, Part 2". Of course I kept hoping that we would get to see the Equinox crew again, but unfortunately the producers just abandoned the storylines there. (Of course the post-Endgame books pickup on the crew somewhat.)
"Fury" I can remember seeing it the first time and really wondering what was going on with it. It just seemed to come from nowhere. Kes hadn't been seen or heard from in 2 years, and then the producers threw "Fury" at us. Although the trilogy "String Theory" (which takes place between Season 4's finale and Season 5's opener really helped to fill in what occurred and led upto "Fury" in regards to Kes, and the Season 5 opener).
But in Seasons 5-7 I really found that Seven and the Borg really became the prime focus, and it seemed to shift the focus of the show from Voyager's getting home to "oh we'll just kick our feet up and coast on our momentum".
Agree. I also don`t like this season. It`s my least fav season. Many episodes are terrible/boring, like Fury. I also don`t like Barge Of The Dead, the Fair Haven- episodes, Ashes to Ashes and the Barclay- episodes- awful!!! or Muse.
But there are (in my opinion)some good ones. I very like Equinox, Blink Of An Eye and Live Fast And Prosper (laughed so hard about it).
Memorial was soooo boring except the Janeway scenes.
I considered throwing in the towel a few times
When Q said "That's what we get for having a woman in the Captain's seat.". Just a few weeks after the woman beating Kazon and the last half of season three: Darkling, Rise, Favorite Son. Put me in a three week Voyager coma and I wasn't thrilled where they were taking Paris at first. How many more Borg centered episodes can I take? Hmm. When I made it to Endgame I felt as accomplished as Janeway when she got home: stunned. :-) I love the cast that's how I feel. I am loyal more than fickle.Looking at season six and It has been a while since I watched it so it's from memory (and relative to other VOY episodes only)
Good
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
Dragon's Teeth
One Small Step
Pathfinder
Blink of an Eye
Ashes to Ashes
Life Line
Average
Survival Instict
Barge of the Dead
Alice
Riddles
The Voyager Conspiracy
VirtusoMemorialChild's PLay
Good Shepard
Live Fast & Propser
Muse
The Hauntiung of Deck 12
Unimatrix Zero
Poor
Equinox, Part II
Fair Haven
Tsunkaste
Spirit Folk
Fury
Good
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
Dragon's Teeth
One Small Step
Pathfinder
Blink of an Eye
Ashes to Ashes
Life Line
Average
Survival Instict
Barge of the Dead
Alice
Riddles
The Voyager Conspiracy
VirtusoMemorialChild's PLay
Good Shepard
Live Fast & Propser
Muse
The Hauntiung of Deck 12
Unimatrix Zero
Poor
Equinox, Part II
Fair Haven
Tsunkaste
Spirit Folk
Fury
I used to say that all I need is 4 good episodes a year and Star Trek is a success.
(Per series.)
(Per series.)
In the middle of Season 5 currently. "Nothing Human" was great but also disappointing. An injured alien creature attaches itself to B'Elanna and the Doctor must consult medical research from infamous Cardassian exobiologist Crell Moset.
The first thing that disappointed me was that, again, the Cardassians can never be anything more than just "black" on a too-simplified spectrum of black and white, good versus evil. This episode could have tackled a more thrilling issue of racial bias against research.
Instead, we go down a less interesting path of "bias against evil research". Basically, the episode attempted to argue 'ethics' over using a cure that was gotten from what some believed to be torture. (it seems as though there's only rumors and here-say. But we know how reliable -that- can be from DS9's episode "Duet".)
The episode almost redeemed itself when the hologram Crell actually made excellent arguments in its defense. If you disagree with the method of research why consider it at all? Is letting a friend die justified because the method was researched improperly?
I was frustrated when the Doctor decided to delete the research and Crell. It was ignorant and sends the wrong message.
I believe that the Doctor retained what he learned from the experience and I'd wager that if this situation happened again, he would easily use that knowledge to save another person's life. But is that not the same as justifying the 'atrocities' of the research which founded the life saving end-result?
The first thing that disappointed me was that, again, the Cardassians can never be anything more than just "black" on a too-simplified spectrum of black and white, good versus evil. This episode could have tackled a more thrilling issue of racial bias against research.
Instead, we go down a less interesting path of "bias against evil research". Basically, the episode attempted to argue 'ethics' over using a cure that was gotten from what some believed to be torture. (it seems as though there's only rumors and here-say. But we know how reliable -that- can be from DS9's episode "Duet".)
The episode almost redeemed itself when the hologram Crell actually made excellent arguments in its defense. If you disagree with the method of research why consider it at all? Is letting a friend die justified because the method was researched improperly?
I was frustrated when the Doctor decided to delete the research and Crell. It was ignorant and sends the wrong message.
I believe that the Doctor retained what he learned from the experience and I'd wager that if this situation happened again, he would easily use that knowledge to save another person's life. But is that not the same as justifying the 'atrocities' of the research which founded the life saving end-result?
I was annoyed the other way around.
I'd seen the Rock in lots of stuff.
He played a pretty dope computer hacker on The Net The series.
Point being is that I knew that he could act (at least as well as Wang.).
But all they had him doing was grunting, snarling and wrestling.
It was actually quite insulting I thought.
Do you watch haven?
The Wrestler "The Edge" is in it almost every week.
You can't treat these people like idiots just because they make so much money pretending to be mentally defective.
I'd seen the Rock in lots of stuff.
He played a pretty dope computer hacker on The Net The series.
Point being is that I knew that he could act (at least as well as Wang.).
But all they had him doing was grunting, snarling and wrestling.
It was actually quite insulting I thought.
Do you watch haven?
The Wrestler "The Edge" is in it almost every week.
You can't treat these people like idiots just because they make so much money pretending to be mentally defective.
I haven't watched Haven since 2012. Not because of quality. I am busy at the time slot.
I knew who he was my brother followed him. He was Wang quality then. 'd say he's been promoted far beyond Wang now. That is another offense I took to, also. Shrinking his talents. I forgot because I haven't seen that VOY ep. since original airing.
I knew who he was my brother followed him. He was Wang quality then. 'd say he's been promoted far beyond Wang now. That is another offense I took to, also. Shrinking his talents. I forgot because I haven't seen that VOY ep. since original airing.
That week, it was the Weyoun and Gowron show.
Who were also undernourished with a tired script.
Who were also undernourished with a tired script.
Officially started the final season. It's kind of bittersweet, coming to the end of it. I liked Imperfection and Drive.
Seasons 6 and 7 are easily my least favorite seasons. A shame, because I thought season 5 was one of the show's better seasons. Apart from "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy", I remember also liking "Life Line", again because of Robert Picardo... and that's about it. I did appreciate Kes' valiant attempt to prematurely end the series and save us all from the likes of "Unimatrix Zero" and "Endgame", but alas it was not to be.
Season two, half of three, and seven I was bummed over. Seven the most because I wanted things to clean up not keep it goofy until it was serious finale time.
Goji, I'd like to hear your thoughts in Unimatrix zero I had serious mixed feelings on that one. I wanted to like it.
Janeway's girl> I like icheb and that he got some airtime but it still bugs the hell out of me they keep the pretense that Seven is the only one with Borg parts. Now we have three officers to add. But alas it is ignored.
Goji, I'd like to hear your thoughts in Unimatrix zero I had serious mixed feelings on that one. I wanted to like it.
Janeway's girl> I like icheb and that he got some airtime but it still bugs the hell out of me they keep the pretense that Seven is the only one with Borg parts. Now we have three officers to add. But alas it is ignored.
The worst thing about this episode is that no one even brings up the moral implications of using Borg technology that was obtained by the Borg wiping out entire species. Also the Moset hologram was created using the VOY medical database which would already be part of the EMHs program so their was no reason to create him in the first place. Just an incredibly stupid episode.
Taken on its own "Unimatrix Zero" is not terrible, it's just very very average while at the same time seeming like it wants to be more. It came right around the time that use of the Borg in a Voyager "event" episode (premiere, finale, sweeps, etc.) was beginning to feel downright obligatory. I guess we never did come up with anything "bigger" in the Voyager universe than the Borg (except Species 8472, in the series' best episode, but then we discovered they were a bunch of whiny nitwits in season 5, so we can't use them again) so it makes sense, but "Unimatrix Zero" is when the rot really set in. Oh, look. There's the Borg Queen. Again. Lots of green florescent lighting, haven't seen that in a while. It's strange, over on DS9 at around the same time (or a year or two earlier) the Dominion was showing up as the bad guy practically every week but it never felt repetitive. They fit into each story a little different. On Voyager, the writers had already resorted to making the Borg prepubescent to try and keep them from getting stale, and it hadn't really worked. "Unimatrix Zero" feels like it wants to be the story that makes the Borg relevant and interesting again, and it just doesn't get there, and then we never revisit any of its events ever again, despite the Borg appearing in the finale.
That, and doesn't Janeway's plan involve getting *intentionally* assimilated? Admittedly, I haven't sat down and watched it in probably 12 years, so forgive me if that's something my mind just invented as a way to make fun of an episode I didn't really like, but if I am remembering that correctly it just makes me want to smash something all over again.
That, and doesn't Janeway's plan involve getting *intentionally* assimilated? Admittedly, I haven't sat down and watched it in probably 12 years, so forgive me if that's something my mind just invented as a way to make fun of an episode I didn't really like, but if I am remembering that correctly it just makes me want to smash something all over again.
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