VOY is too sexy for him.
Why do Star Trek fans hate Voyager? - Link
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First: Captain Cooper would have left Ocampa to be eaten by the Kazon and gone home because that's what the Prime Directive insists a good Starfleet Captain should do.
If you watch The Big Bang Theory(Last night)...
Apparently Sheldon hates VOY too!
I don't eat and breathe on Sheldon's opinions. He'd hate me just because I like liberal arts and want to combine it with science
Voyager is like a family to me. Sure they embarrass me sometimes, I want to walk away when I get frustrated, it makes me face that I too don't always finish what I start but we're on a journey together and they don't abuse me they're just a little flawed. It's human and I can't imagine where else I'd rather be. I love that crew.
STANDING OVATION!!!!
I don't hate voyager or enterprise,it that I don't like them as much as I do with the next generation and the original series.
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I was a huge TNG fan; I thought the problem with Voyager, when I started watching it, was that the stakes were too damn low compared with the other contemporary Trek series. Take the first season, spring 1995: while Voyager was matching wits with the Kazon, at the same time on DS9 the Cardassians and the Romulans were getting curb-stomped by the Dominion. Perhaps my perceptions were misguided and wrong, but the goings on in Voyager for the first couple of seasons didn't match the likes of the Borg and the Dominion. There was undoubtedly a place for quiet drama and tension in the ST universe, but the first season of Voyager did a poor job of presenting its case.
This is, perversely, why I actually like--yes, like--Threshold. Ludicrous? Yes. Insane? Absolutely. But at least it swung for the fences whereas much of the rest of the season was dedicated to bunting.
This is, perversely, why I actually like--yes, like--Threshold. Ludicrous? Yes. Insane? Absolutely. But at least it swung for the fences whereas much of the rest of the season was dedicated to bunting.
Problem was, as long as DS9 was doing it's big Galactic War storyline nothing VOY really did was going to match up since nothing that really mattered could happen.
They tried with "Scorpion" and VOY getting involved with the Borg/8472 war but the audience hated that storyline which turned them off to doing others like it.
If they'd done what Berman wanted and waited til after DS9 maybe they'd be able to do more.
They tried with "Scorpion" and VOY getting involved with the Borg/8472 war but the audience hated that storyline which turned them off to doing others like it.
If they'd done what Berman wanted and waited til after DS9 maybe they'd be able to do more.
No.
The decision on how much they wanted to invest in 8472 vs. The Borg (2 episodes) was made during preproduction for the entire season 6 months before the episodes aired which got a 2 point bump in the ratings.
Berman couldn't make unilateral changes on a dime.
Poor ratings, or a poor mail bag can only effect what's happening 10 episodes later which is what they're up to preproducing/writing when the returns come in on the pile of shit/goldmine that just aired.
The decision on how much they wanted to invest in 8472 vs. The Borg (2 episodes) was made during preproduction for the entire season 6 months before the episodes aired which got a 2 point bump in the ratings.
Berman couldn't make unilateral changes on a dime.
Poor ratings, or a poor mail bag can only effect what's happening 10 episodes later which is what they're up to preproducing/writing when the returns come in on the pile of shit/goldmine that just aired.
Yes, that is roughly where I am with the show. Voyager is my favorite of all the Trek series, but I also consider it the worst of them all (Except for ENT, which I don't count.) The disappointment came from it's potential to be the best, but they just would not take it there.
It was a season finale episode, they'd have had plenty of time to decide between seasons to make it a 2-parter or make it a 100 parter. The negative reaction to Part One is what made them decide to make it just a 2 parter.
Deep Space Nine ran from 93-99, Voyager from 1995-2001. And the Dominion War really only took up the last two seasons, though they had been building up to it for for a while. So I don't buy using what DSN was doing as excuse for VOY.
"Scorpion, Part I" aired 21-05-97 "Part II" aired 03-09-97, "Call to Arms" aired 21-06-97 and the follow up "A Time to Stand" aired 29-09-97.
So Voyager actually got there first with regards to the Borg-8472 conflict, so why was the audiance more receptive to one, the one that came later?
Perhaps that indicates a deeper flaw with the show, that on some level whilst people watched the show it was more like a popcorn flick that they could come and go with watching, whilst the other was more of a must watch show. Or that they simply hadn't become emotional invovled with some or all of the characters on one show and had on the other. That might be an over simplification and not true for everyone.
So they were concurrent for most of their runs, like I said.
The Dominion had been built up since S2, and had been a major part of the Storyline since S3 (around when Voyager started).
Because it didn't involve their beloved Borg being shown as less than utterly invincible. The Dominion only beat up guys the audience knew weren't invincible.
Possibly. I mean, the audience loved "The Visitor" despite the explanation for everything being technobabble but they hated "Living Witness" despite having no technobabble. The deeper story about revisionist history, Picardo's acting, the EMH's sadness at being 700 years apart from everyone, and the audience appreciated NONE of that because they couldn't get by the stupid "EMH Backup" plot point.
I agree with this statement
Well, seeing as how there was a big deal made that there was no backup for the EMH, and that Harry could not make a backup for the EMH, or even an basic hologram to assist Tom, it was just a reminder of how unimportant continuity was in VOY.
As I said above, very frustrating for me to sit and watch.
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Waitasec, fans had a negative reaction to "Scorpion"?
Sure "Living Witness" was one of VOY's better episodes and Picardo was good as always, but remember the whole no backup of the EMH was a plot element some 8 episodes earlier. You can't have it both ways, in essence it's treating the audiance as idiots who can't remember a key detail from a previous episode. It wasn't like it was some minor plot element it was in essence the B-plot and hadn't previous episodes also mentioned the entire no way to backup the EMH, also didn't episodes after "Living Witness" also make a note of having no way to back-up the EMH? If they can do it once they can do it again.
So sure you can praise certain elements of something but that doesn't mean you can't also critise other elements of it.
As for the Borg overuse like any villian leads to villian decay
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VillainDecay/LiveActionTV
The same can be aid of the Daleks from DW at least the conceit they could use is that tThe Doctor comes from a race who is either a.>more advanced or b.>at least as advanced. Where as in the case of the Borg they were seemingly more advanced that the UFP, you can get away with defeating a s tronger opponent a few times before villian decay set in. In hinsight it might have been better to limit the Borg's appearence to a maximum of 1 story per season. At times it felt as if they used The Borg as a crutch because hey it worked before, the audiance likes them etc...
Waitasec, fans had a negative reaction to "Scorpion"?
Shhh. Don't let Anwar drag you into his parallel universe where it rains donuts.
Waitasec, fans had a negative reaction to "Scorpion"?
The audience hated the idea of there being a single species out there that could fight off the Borg, no matter if they came from this Universe or not (despite Trek showing such beings ever since TOS). That VOY just happened to create said species was just another strike against it. That VOY showed such a species was an unforgivable franchise sin.
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