Well there will be a mummy on an Orient Express in space. With the Doctor on board, you can expect hijinks to ensue. Hopefully the passengers on the Space Orient Express make out better than the passengers on the Space Titanic with the 10th Doctor.
8X07 "Kill The Moon" (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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Well there will be a mummy on an Orient Express in space. With the Doctor on board, you can expect hijinks to ensue. Hopefully the passengers on the Space Orient Express make out better than the passengers on the Space Titanic with the 10th Doctor.
Hmm, I remember thinking that when in the hungry Earth 2 parter they rigged cameras all across town in about 2 minutes. "Time is all out of kilter, they're trapped in a fairy tale or something" I thought. Nah just lame writing.
Same as I imagined the work of Dr Lazarus was going to be used by the Master to rejuvenate his regeneration cycle (and possible prove a handy get out of jail free card for the Doctor's regen cycle) but instead it was just an excuse to turn the Doctor into Dobby the fucking house elf...
It really looks like it should be a blast!
Yeah. I'm getting tired of the plot device. I mean Clara. She isn't a character. She's nothing more than a plot device. I think if I was the actress, I would be wanting to leave as well.
And how convenient was it last time, after their first date, then she meets her future grandson, to decide "I love Danny Pink"? Really? You've known him for about two hours, and you're already stalking him.
I'm ready for the reset button that takes her out and we get someone much better written. Perhaps someone who has NO secrets, who isn't a mystery for the Doctor to solve, someone who can just be his "mate" in the style of Donna?
Since we are on a Trek board I was wondering if, when the moon hatched, anyone else thought the creature was the Great Bird of the Galaxy? Because that's what I thought.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Bird_of_the_Galaxy
Yes, I guessed it pretty early on. Not because I'm particularly clever, but because I read the first New Frontier novel and was reminded of it.
What, the Donna who's the most special person in the universe? That Donna?
The Donna who was his friend. There was no mystery to solve; the two of them were just traveling companions and best friends.
Amy and Clara were mysteries to be solved. Rory was eye candy. I'd rather have the next companion be just friends. Someone he meets somewhere and they just get along famously.
This episode really smacked of two different synopsis being jammed together to fit the criteria of the season arc.
The whole "moon is an egg" plot is a high concept thing unto itself - and really would have worked better had it been an alien world or far off into Earth's future. Maybe expanded into a full on mystery story? (yeah I know, it was already done in The Beast Below)
In order for The Doctor and Clara to split apart (even though it was done before and done better in The God Complex) he needs to force her to make some sort of tough decision. What that decision might be is less important than his manipulation of her and the subsequent shouty outcome - it really could be anything.
Someone upthread likened this episode to a first draft; that's probably closest the mark.
The whole "moon is an egg" plot is a high concept thing unto itself - and really would have worked better had it been an alien world or far off into Earth's future. Maybe expanded into a full on mystery story? (yeah I know, it was already done in The Beast Below)
In order for The Doctor and Clara to split apart (even though it was done before and done better in The God Complex) he needs to force her to make some sort of tough decision. What that decision might be is less important than his manipulation of her and the subsequent shouty outcome - it really could be anything.
Someone upthread likened this episode to a first draft; that's probably closest the mark.
Maybe the mass came from the same place the Hulk's additional mass comes from when he transforms from Bruce Banner. Maybe Peter David would know.
Hmmm, while the story was a bit unclear on what the spiders were....and the two minor characters nothing more than fodder....I liked this episode. Of course, Clara was very hot and very tough as usual, and Courtney was an interesting addition to the TARDIS crew. The banter towards the end of the episode between Clara and #12 was pretty intense, and I'm still looking forward to seeing how this particular relationship pans out later on in the season.
(I marked this as 'Quite Good,' by the way).
(I marked this as 'Quite Good,' by the way).
Was he? He only appeared in one episode, with a handful of lines at best.
He must be thinking her granddad, surely.
And I love Donna Noble. My favorite NuWho companion, by a good margin.
It was all right, but this Doctor is starting to seem to be little more than a hypocritical dickhead than anything else. I get that he's an advanced alien but it seems like he's more guilty of the things he blames humans for. He gave Clara and the group less than an hour to make a decision that would effect an entire planet, more than seven billion lives hung in the balance. Was trying to destroy it an unreasonable course of action with the information the humans had? They had no idea to think of the moon as an egg, much less one that was going to hatch. Instead, they thought of the people who died and the information they acquired.
But worst off is the Doctor forcing Clara to make a decision and leaving because "it's your choice to make, I'm not human." That is the most callous thing I have ever heard. It seems like Moffat's Doctors are more about themselves than actually being helpful.
As for the Mexican expedition and why no follow up was sent, I think Moffat writes everybody else as stupid and the Doctor and his companions as the only "smart" ones. It makes for flat characters and is generally tiresome.
I gave the episode a 3/5 but somebody needs to put actual people in these shows, not characitures.
But worst off is the Doctor forcing Clara to make a decision and leaving because "it's your choice to make, I'm not human." That is the most callous thing I have ever heard. It seems like Moffat's Doctors are more about themselves than actually being helpful.
As for the Mexican expedition and why no follow up was sent, I think Moffat writes everybody else as stupid and the Doctor and his companions as the only "smart" ones. It makes for flat characters and is generally tiresome.
I gave the episode a 3/5 but somebody needs to put actual people in these shows, not characitures.
Just rewatched the end. Clara was WAY out of line. Even if the Doctor always knew what would happen, him disappearing and leaving them to make the decision was one of the few times the Doctor let humanity show what they are or could be. He also (may have known that he) put Courtney on a good track. No matter, Clara blows up for nothing, at least for a lot less than other stuff she has seen the Doctor doing/not doing.
The Doctor reappeared at the exact time that Clara and Courtney pressed the button, so he knew what they would do and what would happen. He went thru this with Amy on Starship UK. He had faith in humanity. Something it seems Clara lost at the end.
Can't wait for a new companion.
The Doctor reappeared at the exact time that Clara and Courtney pressed the button, so he knew what they would do and what would happen. He went thru this with Amy on Starship UK. He had faith in humanity. Something it seems Clara lost at the end.
Can't wait for a new companion.
Here's the crazy thing.
Earth 2049 decided to abort.
It should be Earth 2049's choice if the allegory of "Pro-Choice" is followed.
Clara is an outsider forcing her fanatical and binding views on Earth 2049.
Clara is as Alien as the Doctor.
Prodeath is just as bad as prolife.
Besides.
The sitting US President had a generous degree of forewarning about what was happening up there, so you have to ask, was she the sort of woman that would let history play out naturally, or make bloody sure that History played out the way it was supposed to by spending 20 years figuring out how to cut power to the world at the exact second Clara asked the planet to make a choice.
Earth 2049 decided to abort.
It should be Earth 2049's choice if the allegory of "Pro-Choice" is followed.
Clara is an outsider forcing her fanatical and binding views on Earth 2049.
Clara is as Alien as the Doctor.
Prodeath is just as bad as prolife.
Besides.
The sitting US President had a generous degree of forewarning about what was happening up there, so you have to ask, was she the sort of woman that would let history play out naturally, or make bloody sure that History played out the way it was supposed to by spending 20 years figuring out how to cut power to the world at the exact second Clara asked the planet to make a choice.
What I find ridiculous is that the Moon out Tribbles Tribbles.
Pregnant before it's born and lays an egg during birth.
Pregnant before it's born and lays an egg during birth.
That was my first reaction to seeing the NuMoon, too. "It's worse than a Tribble! 
Consider that the moon used to live else where.
Just because the egg is out there, It doesn't mean that it was autofertilized during or before being laid.
What if another similar creature has to mount the moon and #### it before it becomes viable?
Sure maybe it's like fish, and it just sprays slapshot on an endless bed of eggs, but if some hypothetical space fish has to bump and grind through a cake of green cheese with a two mile long dong to get it's moon rocks off, no wonder Luna was thrown into the interstellar void until it was finally captured by our solar system from the successive atomic bomb detonation level concussive forces their coitus generated.
Just because the egg is out there, It doesn't mean that it was autofertilized during or before being laid.
What if another similar creature has to mount the moon and #### it before it becomes viable?
Sure maybe it's like fish, and it just sprays slapshot on an endless bed of eggs, but if some hypothetical space fish has to bump and grind through a cake of green cheese with a two mile long dong to get it's moon rocks off, no wonder Luna was thrown into the interstellar void until it was finally captured by our solar system from the successive atomic bomb detonation level concussive forces their coitus generated.
Honestly, I thought the episode was riffing on the ending of Peter David's Star Trek: New Frontier "pilot," where the Great Bird of the Galaxy has been incubating inside the planet Thallon. The abortion angle didn't even occur to me.
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