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8X07 "Kill The Moon" (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)

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Fantastic episode!!!!

Yes, the science is wonky. Obviously, the moon is not an egg in real life. But this is Doctor Who after all. It is make-believe. The show has always been about fantastical elements. That did not bother me.

I think the reason Clara flipped out on the Doctor was not because he made them choose but because of his very rude, patronizing and disrespectful attitude he has shown ever since his regeneration. I don't really blame her. Capaldi's doctor has treated Clara very poorly. After all, she has been his companion since before his regeneration. She has been on many adventures. She even risked her life, jumping into his time stream, and saved all his incarnation. The previous doctor, jumped into his own time stream and saved her because he cared about her so much. They had a very close relationship. Since the Doctor regenerated, he seems to have completely forgotten everything they went through together. He has constantly berated, insulted and treated her with utter contempt. So, she definitely had a right to be offended like she was.

What I find interesting about this episode is that Capaldi's doctor handled the situation very differently than previous doctors would have. I can see Matt Smith's doctor as well as David Tennant's doctor not leaving them alone, but instead taking an active role in protecting the life form.

One thing I do like about Capaldi's doctor is that he seems to have a perspective on life and the universe more appropriate to a thousand year old time lord. After all, if you've seen the entire universe and traveled from the time it started to the time it ends, you would have a much much bigger perspective on everything than humans would have who only live on their one planet for a few decades. Furthermore, when you've seen countless amazing aliens across the universe, some of them, undoubtedly more intelligent or more unique than humans, as the Doctor has, I doubt you would still hold on to the belief that humans are inherently special. So, as hard as it might be for Clara to grasp, I actually think that Capaldi's attitude that humans are not special is appropriate for him to have and makes much more sense from a time lord perspective than Tennant's gushing over precious humans all the time. Of course, Capaldi's Doctor does not know how to express these views in a sensitive way. He seems to feel like in the grand scheme things, the truth is more important than being nice and in fact if you are mature enough, you should be able to handle the truth and being nice should be irrelevant even.

And I do like Capaldi's decision to let the humans make their own decisions. He was respecting the right of humans as a species to make their own decision. And it points back to the Time Lord's attitude of non-interference from Classic Who. The Doctor was basically saying that just because he is a time lord does not given him the right to tell any species what to do, they need to make those planetary decisions on their own, and own the consequences of those decisions. That is what being a living species in the universe is all about. Plus, the Doctor knew that the right decision would be made and that it would lead to very positive consequences that were much bigger than any one individual (humans will relaunch their space program and explore the universe and endure till the end speech). So he was employing a wisdom that comes from being a time traveler and knowing what the bigger stakes are. So, I see this doctor has having a much more time lord like wisdom about the universe.
 
Favorite 12th Doctor EP so far.

Loved his aloofness and high-handedness. Shades of the first doctor.

Still counting days till Clara bails...
 
In terms of attitude, Capaldi's Doctor reminds me a lot of the 1st Doctor.

I think that's a good thing. Nice to have a throwback to the character's establishment. Too many people still think the character started with Chris Eccleston.

Not that I hated Chris Eccleston...
 
I study Physics, my rational part screams out during all the episode (more than usual anyway), but of course, I don't watch Doctor Who for the attention to the science.
I think that the idea of the giant egg is great, really. The idea of giant spiders/bacteria was quite stupid IMO and useless.
The little girl (I can't remember her name) is gratuitous, I do not understand why is she here, but I rather prefer her as companion instead of Clara (yes, I don't like her).
About Clara, I hope that she had understand who is the Doctor now, maybe is time to change, but I don't think it will happen so soon.
 
In terms of attitude, Capaldi's Doctor reminds me a lot of the 1st Doctor.

I think that's a good thing. Nice to have a throwback to the character's establishment. Too many people still think the character started with Chris Eccleston.

Not that I hated Chris Eccleston...
No argument from me. Hartnell is my favorite Doctor. I like the pompous, know it all aristocatic, approach to the Doctor.
 
So far as the (non-)science stuff goes, right from the word go I was shouting at myself 'Whatever it is, it's warping space-time, shunting matter and gravity into other realities, somehow, don't try to make it make sense according to any sort of current physics,' and as far as I'm concerned that's the only attitude to take on it...
Aside, obviously, from trying to work out how to fit it into the already convoluted history of 21st Century Spaceflight According to Doctor Who!

BTW: the girl's name is Courtney Woods. Possibly a side-joke reference to Nicholas Courtney (who played the Brigadier) and John Woods (the 'real' name of John Levene, who played Sergeant Benton). Or just a coincidence.
 
No, I'm not really feeling this episode. As soon as we find out the alien "threat" is in fact a baby hatching from an egg, there's one of two endings. Either the Doctor saves the baby or the astronaut kills it and the Doctor freaks out over typical humans destroying what they don't understand. Okay, so technically it was Clara who saved the baby, but same thing.

Otherwise, it was really meh. The astronaut commander is a typical hard-nosed type willing to slaughter an innocent alien for the greater good of all humanity and by the end learns the error of her ways with two sacrificial redshirts tagging along serving no purpose other to be killed right away. The Doctor takes five forcing Clara to step up to plate and prove she's worth being a companion, only once all is said and done she has a big freak out and essentially "breaks up" with the Doctor.

And what was the deal with the whole "vote by turning your lights out"? One, only people who are on the night side could participate. Two, we're assuming it's conveniently an hour in which everyone on Earth's night side would be awake. Three, individuals turning their lights off or keeping them on would make no real difference, it would take cities shutting off their power grids to have an effect, so essentially this decision is being made by CEOs of power plants. Clara's impassioned plea is being acted on by Mr. Burns, in other words.

The episode had "little moments" which were pretty cool, quite a few in fact, and there are worse episodes out there. But in the end it is just run of the mill see it all before type fare which isn't really all that interesting.

One final thing, something I've noticed episodes this season seem to be revisiting "Moffat's greatest hits." Here we have giant spiders which sense by movement, so this solution is "don't move. Don't even move." Which I'm sure we can all figure out what this brings to mind. I realize he didn't write this episode, but as show runner he was obviously involved in its development. Is Moffat beginning to wear down and burn out?
 
From all the interviews I've seen, Moffat still seems just as excited and engaged by the show as ever. It may appear that he's recycling some of his older ideas at times, but I think that's probably just his natural storytelling style more than anything.

He just likes coming up with threats that are rooted more in everyday objects and ideas. And every writer has their recurring themes that they like to go to again and again (just look at Stephen King's lost list of tropes).
 
You could have dropped the astronaut character. Had the trio land and discover a failed mission to save the Earth. Still have the Doctor put up his hands and say "You decide", cut the vote, and boil it down to the young and inexperienced Courtney pushing to blow up the moon cause it's the right thing--she wants to save people, and the more experienced Clara trying to bring her around to realizing that just cause it looks like the right choice doesn't make it the right choice. Final moment Clara stops Courtney from pushing the button; TARDIS argument over the Doctor putting a child in a position to commit genocide, to force a child to live with that act and 12/1A being a basic bastard; Doctor speech remains mostly the same, other than pointing out to him all of humanity is a child.
 
Terrible plot but Capaldi and Norris were as awe-inspiring as ever. I'm becoming irritated by Clara's tendency to be smug all the time so it was nice to see her rattled. You do get the feeling that her time as a companion is almost done - she has more reason to stay on Earth now than to travel the stars and we can all see it coming. How it will play out is another matter.

I've never been a fan of the one-episode format and this is a good example of why one-shots are rarely satisfying for me (with a few notable exceptions). Nice build up but very unsatisfying pay-off. The plot would have worked much better with an alien world but then Clara would not have been invested. Tricky.
 
The Doctor's brain is connected up to some constantly updating infonet (The TARDIS' library computer?) that what is "grey" at one moment can 10 minutes later be a list of complete and intimate details.
 
The Doctor's brain is connected up to some constantly updating infonet (The TARDIS' library computer?) that what is "grey" at one moment can 10 minutes later be a list of complete and intimate details.
I had the same thought. That once the "fix point" was established, the timeline updated or revealed itself to him. I, too, was thinking it had something to do with his connection to the TARDIS; perhaps a by product of being transformed (or whatever you want to call it) into a Timelord back on Gallifrey.
 
Good, 3 out of 5.

I was expecting better to be honest, and it delivered for the first part. I liked the creepy scenes on the moon where they discovered the Mexican mission and the spiders. Good stuff, but then it devolved.

Seriously, the moon is only several hundred million years ago? It's an egg?! And, as the baby grows the egg gains in mass?! And, the astronauts thought that the 100 nuclear bombs (carried on a fricking shuttle?!) would destroy the moon? Even if they could destroy the moon, surely the must've thought that the chunks would collide with the Earth (they didn't know it was an egg). All of that is impossible nonsense.

The wheel fell off. Just too much nonsense.

I did like the tough decision, although we knew that it would all work out. And, the moon was magically replaced. Yeah, a newly hatched space baby could hatch another moon egg with the mass of the moon, right?

I think they could have had the Doctor handle it better though. In the end, he didn't know the correct answer and so wanted the humans to choose. Alright, I understand that but be more explicit and provide the extra information that he had so they could make an informed decision!

I don't get how so many science errors made it through? I can understand some but this was off the charts dumb!

Mr Awe
 
Okay, so technically it was Clara who saved the baby, but same thing.

I'm not sure it was the same thing. This episode was fundamentally a character-centered episode about this choice that had to be made and how the Doctor refused to help make it. In the past, the Doctor's been forced to make terrible choices or the Doctor is able to act clever and prevent the choice from having to be made, but how often does the Doctor take off and leave the choice to others?
 
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