Exactly so.
Star trek re-imagined.
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Exactly so.
I wasn't talking about in-universe. The producers of the show felt that the runabouts wouldn't be taken seriously as a force against the Dominion after we were shown the Odyssey being destroyed by them. So they created something that was more believable in that role.
Yet even after that introduction, the show continued to center on the space station, and not the ship.
It was like when Voyager introduced the Delta Flyer, an interesting addition, an there were good episodes involving it, but Voyager (like DS9) remained the core of the show.
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And the ratings kept on sliding...
So... you're saying Star Trek couldn't compete?
So... you're saying Star Trek couldn't compete?
i remember when I had like 8 channels from the old antenna, there was a lot of shows I watched then that I never would have if I had 60+.
And then computer gaming(online) was becoming a bit more popular with gaming servers, when DS9 was in mid-late series.
I can see how certain demographics might have been inclined to watch star trek because there was nothing else to do, but when things like ultima online, or rainbow six, warcraft, starcraft, etc. came around Star Trek would fall to the wayside.
I know lots of people who watched star trek in those days who don't consider themselves fans of the show at all.
I'm still confused about how ratings even came up in this discussion. LOL! Oh well.
But as far as I know, we are talking Nielsen household ratings, not specific demographics, correct? Secondly, DS9 wasn't necessarily purchased in every market, and even then it wasn't always given a great timeslot, and sometimes that timeslot was shifted around many times throughout its run. So there were a lot of variables at play when it comes to the ratings that people love to bring up, in addition to simply whether or not the show could compete. Regardless, DS9 must have done something right. They were allowed to produce 7 seasons. They wouldn't have done that if it wasn't making money.
But as far as I know, we are talking Nielsen household ratings, not specific demographics, correct? Secondly, DS9 wasn't necessarily purchased in every market, and even then it wasn't always given a great timeslot, and sometimes that timeslot was shifted around many times throughout its run. So there were a lot of variables at play when it comes to the ratings that people love to bring up, in addition to simply whether or not the show could compete. Regardless, DS9 must have done something right. They were allowed to produce 7 seasons. They wouldn't have done that if it wasn't making money.
Obvious it could or it would have disappeared sooner. Part of the decline in audience was the availability of alternatives, but part of it was the direction of the show, for years I never watch the last few seasons because the Dominion War held no interest for me. I've only recently seen the entire run.
DS9 remains my least favored Trek series, because of it's content.
YMMV.
True, but it would be silly to suggest the ratings dropped because "they don't go anywhere." Otherwise, VOY would have been a ratings hit.
I have no pony in this race, but come on, that is a specious argument. You can't see things in such black and white that you can actually be that much of a devils advocate?
No. Voyager had other problems.
Hober Mallow is simply pointing out the reasons that DS9's ratings slid ever downward were more complicated than because it was set at a space station. As stated, his point is anything but black and white.
There isn't anything ridiculous about observing that being set on a space ship doesn't guarantee good ratings, and using a factual observation relevant to the era in which DS9 aired to back that up.
No, it's a perfectly factual observation that Voyager was set on a ship and its ratings went down.
In fact, the declining ratings curves of DS9 and VOY nearly overlay each other. See for yourself. Given the similarity in the downward slopes of their ratings, it's furthermore perfectly reasonable to wonder whether DS9 and VOY in fact suffered from similar problems, which would therefore be entirely besides the shows' respective settings.
There's nothing "devil's advocate" there, and it seems to me that you may have completely misunderstood the evident intent of Hober Mallow's remark.
There were the Soong androids, the exocomp robots, and Emergency Medical Holograms.
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It occurs to me that Wagon Train To The Stars would actually be a convoy. Conceivably, the Hero ship might occasionally have business with such a convoy.
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