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Seven Of Nine's Maturity?

You are a disgusting person, and now I can't use the word genuflect in the completely innocent and pure way I have used it all my life, it is soiled forever.
 
I considered the accelerated maturity aspect. I don't buy it. Life's experiences matter. You can't be mature about things that you haven't observed or experienced yet. For a species to be "that" mature after only 2 years of life seems more Star Wars (fantasy) than Star Trek (sci-fi).


I don't know if anyone maintains that the species reaches that level of maturity, just the individual. She's the outlier par excellence. Did any other Ocampan display her level of abilities, even those on their mini-array/barge away from home (ok we only saw two of them). I'll give you that Tanis had a creepy kind of je ne sais quoi, showing Kes the way to wring the life essence out of the entire aeroponics bay.
But ultimately he was shown up as his puppet master's stooge, getting bitch slapped and sent running to momma by his student of what, two whole days!!!!


No no she's the One, the Golden Child, the Whole Enchilada, the enigma wrapped in a mystery, the non-Q Q, etc.

If you don't buy any of that, just consider this. She had to be special. Neelix picked her!!!! :lol:
 
"If you don't buy any of that, just consider this. She had to be special. Neelix picked her!"

I think I just vomited in my mouth.
 
Neelix- "You can stay w the Kazon and be their sexslave or you can be mine."

Me: ...

Neelix: "Well?"

Më: "I'm thinking, I'm thinking."
 
The lack of grace "Seven" had in the series is not because she was Borg, it's because deep down she was always meant to be and always would have been a complete abrasive shit... And that may be why the Borg got rid of her and didn't want her back.

I don't get where this is coming from. Surely actual trauma survivors have a few dark shadows in their personality as a result of the trauma, but I thought Seven actually recovered from almost unimaginable trauma quite well. When was she an abrasive shit?
 
Picked her?

He saved her.

You know how much tail firemen get?

That times a billion.

But just from her.

Kismet, eh? Who's to say he wouldn't have found an impressionable Kazon flower on some slagheap colony, eventually. Too rough for him you say? Well he seemed quite the dish for the Klingon ladies a bit later on IIRC. :)
 
The lack of grace "Seven" had in the series is not because she was Borg, it's because deep down she was always meant to be and always would have been a complete abrasive shit... And that may be why the Borg got rid of her and didn't want her back.

I don't get where this is coming from. Surely actual trauma survivors have a few dark shadows in their personality as a result of the trauma, but I thought Seven actually recovered from almost unimaginable trauma quite well. When was she an abrasive shit?

Every time she answered a serious question by saying "I am Borg", what that actually means is "You are weak and stupid" which is something she has said a lot to almost everyone.

This whole "Traumatized" thing which some of you banner about is wrong because she LOVED being Borg. Seven was more traumatized by the Humans rescuing her. Some of you forget how long that took for her Borg pride to even start to tarnish. Months? First off 7 of 9's point of view was "### humanity" and she tried to assimilate everyone, signal the Borg or just plain run. Then after the Gift she accepted that she couldn't easily get back to Borg space so viewed herself as a prisoner. Then after she decided that staying was better than going back, she still barely tolerated the crew around her and had no respect for Janeway because Humans are inferior which is how you have her doing her own thing in Hunters and Dragons Teeth... Later she treated Paris and Torres rutting like zoo animals that needed to be studied scientifically. Maybe after a few horrible mistakes caused by her arrogant behaviour required her to genuflect and apologise to the Captain for being a sanctimonious git... Which is when she realized that she wouldn't have to apologise if she didn't fuck up, so she towed the party line until she liked living on Voyager, and then finally in Dark Frontier, or maybe One when she's telling One that he really should turn off his transponder because being a Drone is a shit life.

Eventually Voyager ws her Collective, but by no means immediately.

(Draining her of nanoprobes daily in the beginning would have been sensible, to make her ability to assimilate weak and slow, is completely the same as the chemical castration of a paedophile.)

But embracing individuality is a hell of a lot easier and quicker to come by than accepting that this sesame of Muppets are her friends and equals, which is why that one near the end where she's knocking boots with holoChuckles is almost the satisfying conclusion of a very long journey.
 
Picked her?

He saved her.

You know how much tail firemen get?

That times a billion.

But just from her.

Kismet, eh? Who's to say he wouldn't have found an impressionable Kazon flower on some slagheap colony, eventually. Too rough for him you say? Well he seemed quite the dish for the Klingon ladies a bit later on IIRC. :)

The psychosexual phenomenon where a Woman can only become aroused by watching two men fight is called an Olive Oyl Complex.
 
Well, I was going to say the closest we perhaps got to the real Seven's personality was brainwashed Seven in "Workforce", but the conversation seems to be past that now.
 
Really?

She was still clipped and efficient with a traffic cone up her bum.

What about in the Killing Game when she was a cold blooded, spy, assassin, lounge singer with a traffic cone up her bum?
 
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